Quote:
Originally Posted by Pliny
LOL! Another ad hominem attack of “my much wiser colleagues”. How sad. Since it has been revealed that you cannot defend the indefensible you resort to personal attacks. What a tragedy. No the Bible does NOT support the Islamic view of pedophilia. Just another sick and twisted attempt to justify a sick religious system. Reminds me of Php. 3:19 and 2 Pet. 3:16.
|
Cut out the blah blah blah. The only personal attacks are from your side actually.
Not what your friends the Jews say. It's their book, it's their math, take it up with them.
Note: Calling someone "wise" is not a personal attack. Just briefing you.
You can change history in translation all you want to. Small wonder it took 'em awhile to have kids huh? Let's see, 10 years....that would have been about right.
But this thread is about "religions of lies" and the historical evidence appears to imply that you are lying to me.
So let's see what the scholars say on this issue:
Numbers 31:17-18
Now therefore kill every male among the little ones (taph), and kill every woman that hath known man by lying with him. But all the female children (taph), that have not known a man by lying with him, keep alive for yourselves.
Hebrew-English Lexicons on the word ‘taph’, it only refers to pre-pubescent girls and boys
What one studious author noted:
"If you go to any Judaic-Christian website, where they give definitions for any word from the Bible, they have always left the word ‘lacham’ unexplained for the passage."
'lacham' means to take them sexually. By force. The passage says to take pre-pubescent girls sexually by force for marriage.
Wil Gafney, Ph.D. is Associate Professor of Hebrew and Old Testament at The Lutheran Theological Seminary at Philadelphia in Pennsylvania, and is an Episcopal Priest canonically resident in the Diocese of Pennsylvania. She is another line of Scholars who comments on Numbers 31:18, she writes:
“The ‘one woman, one man’ relationship of Eve and Adam becomes one man and two women in Genesis 4:19, ONE MAN AND AN UNTOLD NUMBER OF PREPUBESCENT GIRL CAPTIVES IN NUMBER 31:18 and in several other texts. IT APPEARS THAT GOD HAS LEFT IT TO HUMANITY TO DECIDE WHO ARE APPROPRIATE INTIMATE PARTNERS AND UNDER WHAT CIRCUMSTANCES. The evolution of polygamy, both CONSENSUAL AND FORCED, as a human-initiated cultural practice in the scriptures is particularly striking because of God’s lack of condemnation of it (not to mention, according to Deuteronomy, God’s sanction of abduction or rape-marriage during armed conflicts).
When inviting individuals and their descendants into eternal covenant relationships with God, God never required that the matriarchs and patriarchs revert to an Eve-Adam, monogamous pairing.”
Which is why Jewish rabbis, who teach from the whole text, interpret it one way and your translators, who add a jot here and a tittle there (or in this case leave the disagreeable parts out altogether) interpret it another and is why the writings that you do not accept as "infallable" because they were not included in your bible match the ones that are included - what does not match is what you are saying based on what your bible (though it says little) does say and is why I tell you that the Quran, unsavory as it may seem to you, seems to match more closely with your bible than your own words do.
Again, there is no book of God's law that speaks on this issue. There are, unsavory as they may be, texts that allow marriage with very young girls going all the way back to the ancient books.
Unsavory? Yes. Encouraged? Yes. Allowed? Yes. Forbidden? No.
With all of this, you still haven't brought even one single tiny little verse of scripture to back up your judgement. Don't you have even one? A small "Jesus wept" tiny one? Or......are you back to personal attacks to compensate for a lack of a substantive and theologically sound argument for what otherwise appear to be hormone-driven squealing histrionics?
Threaded Mode
