born of water

[Originalist]

Originally Posted by Sean

I am not joking either on this note. If YOU are not baptized in Jesus' name, every sin you commit is still subject to the judgement and your sins are NOT remitted either.



What the Lord does with ANYONE that dies without remission of sins is not my beef, but I would not want to be in their shoes!!!

You also said........

If they are NOT baptized in the name of Jesus, by having the name of Jesus spoken over them, EVERY SIN THEY WILL COMMIT IS GOING TO BE HELD AGAINST THEM after they are baptized wrong.
This is the fact of the matter!!!
It is not the water itself that washes away sins, but the name that is spoken while in the water that makes water baptism effective for remission of sins.

And this goes right along with your bizarre belief that those who are baptized wrong yet receive the Holy Ghost are nothing but "sinners with the Holy Ghost".

You are literally saying that we are forgiven by the spoken name of Jesus instead of by Jesus himself! That is one of the most absurd things I've ever heard in my life.

Fortunately, there is a greater witness than you as to whether or not God has forgiven someone for Christ's sake, and that is the witness of God himself.

Sean vs. God.....

Acts 5:32...We are witnesses of these things, and so is the Holy Spirit, whom God has given to those who obey him.”

Ephesians 1:13-14 13 And you also were included in Christ when you heard the message of truth, the gospel of your salvation. When you believed, you were marked in him with a seal, the promised Holy Spirit,

14 who is a deposit guaranteeing our inheritance until the redemption of those who are God’s possession—to the praise of his glory.

God: "I count those who received less than perfect immersions, but were still done based on their faith and repentance, to have obeyed me. I testify to this by giving them the gift of the Holy Ghost. By giving them my Spirit I'm making them my temple. I'm signifying that they have been included in Christ and have believed the gospel of their salvation. By giving them my Spirit I'm marking them with a seal that declares that they are my possession. That seal is my personal guarantee that they are my heir."

Sean: "God only gave them the Holy Ghost to help them see their need for re-baptism. They are only a sinner with the Holy Ghost"

I could go one and on. There is so much scripture that absolutely buries Sean's faulty soteriology. None of what he believes was taught by the early Apostolics, including Andrew Urshan. I can't help but wonder how many Trinitarians we've hindered from seeing more truth because people like Sean gained ascendency within our movement.

I'm sure Sean is a fine man and and sincere brother in the Lord. But he'd have us to believe that God raised up a man like David Wilkerson completely in vain, and that all he did and won to the Lord was for naught.