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Originally Posted by Godsdrummer
Eph 2:8 For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God:
Eph 2:9 Not of works, lest any man should boast.
I know we have been round the block on this subject a few times, but there are still some questions in my mind that just don't line up.
But first Acts 2:38 is a set of works, no matter how I wrangle it, it still comes down to works. Not only that according to apostolic's it is not just one work but three. Repentance, baptism and speaking in tongues. In essence you are doing something to get something!
Yes it has been said that faith can be considered a work as it is doing something. But right here in Ephesians Paul uses faith as the counterpart to works so that argument does not work.
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I still insist you misunderstand what works are on the context the bible speaks of them when it says they don't save.
Works for salvation that are wrong are efforts to earning salvation totally apart from the cross paying for it.
Acts 2:38 is useless if there is no cross. That is the litmus test. If something is required of us, and it's useless without the cross, then it can never be categorized as salvation by works.
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