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Originally Posted by mfblume
I still insist you misunderstand what works are on the context the bible speaks of them when it says they don't save.
Works for salvation that are wrong are efforts to earning salvation totally apart from the cross paying for it. Acts 2:38 is useless if there is no cross. That is the litmus test. If something is required of us, and it's useless without the cross, then it can never be categorized as salvation by works. |
Yes we have been down this road before, and still disagree, and for the record I am even becoming more of the opinion that
Acts 2:38 are works.
James the passage many used to attempt to prove salvation must include works, does not say works saves us. Rather "I will show you my faith by my works" and "faith without works is dead". Just as Paul tells us that Abraham was not saved by works but faith. His righteousness was imputed to him before circumcision. One that is saved will go on to be baptized, and love one another. But one that professes faith that does not have a life change cannot be said to be saved.
That being said everything is useless without the cross. The question is did not the cross fulfill the prophecies or not. Did not the cross bring in everlasting righteousness? That which is accepted by faith?
I have said this before, and it has been pushed off, in a manner of speaking.
In the OT under the law the general populace did not do one thing in order to secure their salvation. It was all done by the priest. The people brought a sacrifice by faith that everything would be taken care of by the priest. They went home believing that their sin was taken care of. Today we bring our selves to our high priest Jesus Christ. And by faith we go home believing our sin is taken care of.
But by apostolic's faith is not good enough, we must complete a set of steps, before one says their salvation is secure.
I am sorry but I do not believe that
Acts 2:38 is the plan. there was no plan in the whole of the OT there is no plan today.
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