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Originally Posted by mfblume
One note. 1 John and 2 and 3rd John are written to people already saved. They were urged to love AFTER their salvation. The gospel to the sinner is not to love to earn heaven, but go the route of faith in the blood of the Cross to make them righteous. AFTER THAT we learn these other VITAL issues. No one said they're not vital, Shazeep. You just assume we think they're not. The issue at hand is WHAT INITIALLY SAVES US. So the blood of the cross is the focus right now.
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well, so now we start splitting hairs on what "saved" means, when is someone "saved," what exact moment, why is the GS accepted when he knew nothing of this dogma, etc. They lived in a completely different world, also; they
livedin Church; we go a couple times a week. Not disagreeing with you tho.
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Originally Posted by mfblume
Shazeep, are you trying to tell us that YOU DO NOT depend nor rely upon the shed blood of Jesus in Death to redeem you are be the cause of God making you righteous for heaven? Are you saying faith His death in our places does not move God to count us righteous, but that we have to FIRST love people to earn righteousess?
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not at all; i am saying that if
you are saying that just
saying all of this publicly and repeatedly = "faith," then that is not what i am saying
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What can wash away my sins?
Nothing but our acts of love for others.
What can make me whole again?
Nothing but our works of kindness.
Oh, precious is the show
That makes me white as snow.
No other path I know,
Nothing but my works of righteousness.
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at least more accurate than the impression people get from the song!
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Tit 3:5 KJV Not by works of righteousness which we have done, but according to his mercy he saved us, by the washing of regeneration, and renewing of the Holy Ghost;
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Amen! So get washing and renewing! It does not happen magically in your sleep! It hurts! A lot!
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