"But they aren't crucified with Christ by faith for remission of sins and deeming of righteousness."
How do you know? Essentially, why are Christians so unlike Christ, if all it takes is a confession?
"And law saves no one. I said that several times. LAW IS OF WORKS."
But that is the new law, Mike; "Love God and your neighbor is 90% of the whole deal." I wish you would
stop saying this, even just for a minute, and try to see how this is
not about salvation by works. This is about a new law; or if that term bothers you, then ask God for another, because isn't this straight from Christ's Mouth?
"So whatever is 9/10ths of the law is still 9/10s of works. This is the huge difference between Law and grace.
It is where love comes from, or else it's plastic fruit."
Well, God will judge that, but you show how the cart gets put before the horse by us, i think. So now the new law of "love one another" is anathema, and the GS is lost, despite "Go, and do likewise," both spoken by Christ! And what, pray tell, is "plastic fruit?" "Good fruit comes from good trees." If you are doing good deeds expecting God to save you for it...ya, we've already covered that, several times. The Good Samaritan was not keeping a Law, Mike.
"It does deny the cross, because the bible speaks of the cross as making us righteous before one good deed is done. It's just the way it is."
I totally agree--oh, unless you are a Muslim, or some other sect of Christian, who isn't saying it right. Prolly you have to be white, like Jesus
no, it does not deny the cross; it makes the cross real. It takes the cross off of the wall, and puts it in your heart, and becomes reflected in one's speech. And not doing this is obvious to others, also.
"You are reasoning things away and for some reason absolutely refusing to see if the bible is stating what I am saying or not. Your basis is not the word by reasoning."
A big "amen" to that brother! You will never find God with your mind--or if you do, that is no god that i am interested in. This is why whores and publicans beat Christians into heaven; they find God with their
heart. I know and grew up with the Bible as you see it, and either Galatians or Romans may be read out to their conclusions, which you contest.
"The problem with people putting it off as you suggest is that they are in disobedience and God takes note of that. It is a factor. But get into the Word. That is our foundation, not hypotheticals."
So, i can be honestly seeking God as best i am able, and will get no indication from the Holy Spirit when i am making a wrong turn. Talk about hypothetical. Let me say here, as a guy that has made like a million wrong turns, that i got plenty of warnings before, during and after, and this is not true. But anyone may attest to the fact that many people get
worse when they "get saved."
"You just aren't getting my point of what MUST COME before all of that.. lol"
Mike, when the convo started, it could be assumed that that was your position; you are a pastor. Reflect upon how we might be deceived into putting Christ on a shelf...no, on the wall? In an Icon? ya, maybe; making an imposing shrine with an image of Christ in it, and losing all spirituality in the matter. I guess that isn't put very well, but some guy saying "that MUST COME before that" (not meaning you, but who you heard it from, iow) might be as good a way as any.
So, in a sense, lose your preconceptions about the cross, and you will find the cross here. I am not trying to steer anyone away from the cross. One might always go back to their former beliefs, if they want to--as if anyone having come to life would want to go back to the grave! Just listen to all the contortions you are having to go through to justify your position
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