"Then why do you think Islamics don't need it?"
my point was that they do not need anyone who cannot demonstrate that they do not grasp It either telling them how to define it. I think this is pretty obvious at this point.
"I agree. But before we deal with that, WHICH WE CAN DEAL WITH, deal FIRST with what actually saves us."
sounds good, until "what actually saves you" is what actually allows you to cry "Lord, Lord," in which case it is dead. Again, i think this point has been made several times now.
"That is salvation by works! That's what I mean. Having sins remitted is essentially be saved from sin. And you attribute salvation from sin to doing good works."
ma, i am just quoting Scripture!
"So, how is remission of sins by doing a good deed not categorized as "salvation by works"?
That is the essential question, and the answer resides in one's heart. I explained it from my understanding, but it likely requires individual experience to be grasped. It is the difference in "i will do good deeds in order for God to accept me" and "God has accepted me, so i will do good deeds." In the first case, whether consciously or not, an acknowledgement of the good deed is expected--a reward or whatever. In the second case, it is acknowledged that truly good deeds often anger others, and one will likely be sorry in some sense for doing the good deed; and they might even die. There are other permutations, we haven't even broached good deeds done in secret, the why of that, which does not apply to fear of retribution for a good deed, but that is a brief explanation. The point may be don't worry, God is not going to be mocked, and doesn't need a protector of the Cross or whatever; an Inquisition.
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