Rock Hudson Repented Before His Death

[deacon blues]

Originally Posted by Evang.Benincasa

No, it isn't silly. Because you claim the sermon on the mount has nothing to do with the followers of Jesus. That Jesus was subtly pointing to Himself? I know there is strange stuff taught in Non-Denominational (the title is an oxymoron) but this one is new? At least to me.

Yet, if you honestly believe that Jesus was indirectly pointing to Himself because NO ONE could become mature in Christ. Then you really don't believe that someone could get out of the sinning business. They always remain a neophyte, a babe, always drinking milk, and never eating strong meat.

Jesus is THE WORD made flesh---ITS ALL ABOUT HIM!

Do you believe Jesus was saying that it was POSSIBLE to be perfect in this life? Do you believe perfection is possible in this life? Have you committed sins since becoming a Christian? Yes. Yes you have. More than you can count. If you say you have no sin, you lie.

DB, is this you not wording your post correctly again???

Bro, how do you expect to prove anything when you make such statements.

Jesus subtly pointing to Himself?

Matthew 5:2 starts off that Jesus is primarily teaching the Judeans.

But I notice you don't start with verses Matthew 5:3 and Matthew 5:4 was it because verse 3 is dealing with those who are weak in spirit, so therefore it couldn't possibly be Jesus? 4, because it deals with those lamenting being comforted? Jesus mourned in the garden, and angels ministered to Him. So, maybe you will revise your teaching to verse 4?

Matthew 5:6, I could see the inherit the earth in verse 5, but Jesus was hungering to be righteous? Isn't that the same as 1 John 3:7, dear children, don't let anyone deceive you about this: when people do what is right, it shows that they are righteous, even as Christ is righteous. Wasn't that what Jesus was talking about in Matthew 5:6?

Matthew 5:7 Isn't Jesus telling the Judeans as well as us to be merciful?

OK, you stop at 7, but let's continue on. Shall we?

Matthew 5:8 so Jesus was to keep a pure mind so He would see God? Hey, you stopped at verse 7, so I would gather that verse 8 is for the saint? So Jesus admonishes them to keep their mind's pure. In Titus 1:15 we are reminded of purity of mind. Matthew 5:9 those who make peace are the children of God! So, that would totally do away with waterboarding, cruel and unusual interrogations.

Matthew 5:10-11 speaks of those who will be persecuted because of doing righteousness! Awesome!

Sheesh. This is like talking to my 85 year old aunt with dementia.

When I said Matthew 5-7 I was talking about CHAPTERS 5-7. Essentially the Sermon on the Mount. Not Matthew 5:5-7.

But congratulations---you've really framed a brilliant argument against someone debating three verses of the Sermon on the Mount with you. Archive it. I'm sure someone will materialize one day on AFF wanting to argue those verses with you. You'll only have to cut and paste!

[deacon blues]

Originally Posted by Evang.Benincasa

God tells Cain that all he needed to do was to repent and therefore he would overcome sin.

You mean just repent and that's it???

I'm beginning to rub off on you EB! Glad to see you coming over to our side!

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[thephnxman]

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You mean just repent and that's it???
I'm beginning to rub off on you EB! Glad to see you coming over to our side!
Repent (turn away) from his evil thoughts!

God saw that sin (the action that brings forth sin and death)
was about to consume Cain: and as with all humanity, God
warned Cain and offered him a better way.

Cain's temptation was not the sin.

[Evang.Benincasa]

Originally Posted by deacon blues

No contradiction. There's a difference between some who CONTINUES in sin and one who sins.

DB, while you are basking over my typos and typing John instead of Matthew. You should notice that your above statement is a contradiction. Continuing in sin obviously means you are still sinning. But since your religion teaches that you cannot stop sinning you would continue in it? Right? So, think of it this way? You are the little boy who uses the yardsticks as light sabers, breaks them, gets forgiven by the nicer than Jesus deacon, and continues to break them as he gets older. Yet, since behavior is never corrected by a pat on the head. So, then you grow up breaking more than a yardstick. DB your form of religion just has one step, right into the pit. You are the leader who has nothing but empty sockets in your head as you lead your congregation straight into eternal destruction.

[Evang.Benincasa]

Originally Posted by deacon blues

Mistakes? Or sins? Of course one should be growing up into the stature of Christ.

1 Timothy 1:13 Paul said he was formerly a blasphemer, a violent persecutor of the church. But states that he received mercy because I he acted ignorantly in unbelief? Those are mistakes he was admitting to as he was a worshipper of the one true God. Repentance was part of the OT way before there was a John Calvin, or Martin Luther. The Israeli had to repent for their ignorance, and their mistakes 2 Chronicles 7:14. 2 Chronicles 7:14 is how the Judean or Israeli stayed in communion with their God. This is why Rabbis laugh at what you believe. Not that I'm a big fan of Rabbinical Judaism, but you don't have the foggiest idea how their soteriology worked in the Old Covenant, or how the blood of the Lamb of God would precure their salvation in their future. You say of course that one should grow up in the stature of Christ, but then a few lines down you defend Paul as the First of all Sinners of the First Century Church? How do you reconcile First of All who Sin, with the Stature of Christ? You don't. You end up with something that people just listen to you pump that over a pulpit, get a glazed look over their eyes, while thinking "oh, well, I'm saved" Doesn't work DB.

[Evang.Benincasa]

Originally Posted by deacon blues

Written to believers. It would seem to be the inference that Christians are being told that their neglect to do good is sin.

So, they are being told if they if they KNOW what the right thing is to do, and don't do it, it is sin? Which means that they can know to do what is correct and therefore not sin. Thank you.

[Evang.Benincasa]

Originally Posted by deacon blues

Yet AFTER his conversion he calls himself chief of sinners. AFTER his conversion he talks about the struggle within his flesh---"oh wretched man that I am!" He speaks in the present tense not in past tense. Was he continuing to persecute Christians? No. Did he still struggle in his flesh and even fail? 100% sure.

DB, so with all your dancing over typos you mean you can't read in context?
Bro, let's go with what you are saying here. You are teaching to your congregation not only that they should allow their children to break other people's belongings without correction. But also that the Apostle was an active wretch and first of all who sin? Both mean that he was actively engaging in sinning. Hey, bro, this is why what you believe is so bipolar. Out of one side of your face you say we "should" grow to the stature of Christ, and then you say that Paul couldn't do it because he was a wretch? You teach he was first of all who sin? Sounds more like Paul Washer than Paul the Apostle.

[Evang.Benincasa]

The Greek word used in Romans for wretched is ταλαίπωρος which is a compound word. It actually means steadfastly miserable. Is that what Paul was telling the Romans? Was Paul a prisoner to sin, which he couldn't possibly escape? Was the man who wrote 14 books of the New Testament is asking the Romans "Wretched man that I am! Who will set me free from the body of this death?" Sadly Deacon Blues and other who believe like him, obviously don't understand Romans 7:25. Paul says with the mind I he serve the law of God; but with the carnal flesh the law of sin. Still Paul is using this as an analogy of the Hellenized Judean who kept the the Law of Moses, and explaining this to Greek Romans. The next chapter even explains Paul's position even better, the first verse states; "There is therefore NOW no condemnation to them which are in Christ Jesus, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit." This follows on the heels of Paul's so called personal soliloquy. For all DB's constant grammarian pride he can't put a book into his context.

For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus hath made me FREE from the law of sin and death.

Wow, that's great news, that's good news. Not what DB keeps flying up the flag pole and asking everyone to salute it. He wants everyone to focus on being hopelessly in bondage to sin. He wants you to believe that is your natural destiny. But one day after you die you can be free? Sadly Gnostic, and Hindu.

[Evang.Benincasa]

Originally Posted by deacon blues

Right. Jesus died once, He will not be crucified again. There is no other way to salvation. If someone walks away from the faith and rejects the one and only death of Jesus, there is no other means for salvation. Those who become reprobates, those who continue in sin and pride and self righteousness, those whose consciences are seared with a hot iron, calloused beyond remorse and godly sorrow.

You are confusing.

You sin but you don't continue in sin? You have fender benders but don't continue to crash your car? Bro, is the insurance company more righteous? To be able to acknowledge those who have good driving records? No, you just keep the good record running, and don't get into accidents but IF you crash you have an advocate with the Father. You believe instead of if, its WHEN. Big difference.

Originally Posted by deacon blues

Hebrews was written to Jewish Christians who were continuously tempted to return to the law, seeking salvation by works. The writer of Hebrews is warning them that they cannot find another way to salvation.

Bro, they all kept the law as long as the temple stood. In Acts 21:21, Paul was accused of not keeping the Law. That he was teaching among the Diaspora that they shouldn't circumcise their children or obey the Torah. In Acts 21:22 James then asks Paul what should they do if the Judeans get together to inquire of Paul's methods among the Diaspora. James in Acts 21:23 tells Paul to take four men who have completed their Nazarite vow. To bring them all to the temple, join them in the baptism ceremony, paying for them to have their heads ritually shaved. James then says in Acts 21:23 for Paul to do this so everyone will know that the rumors were all false and that Paul observed the Laws of the Temple. Paul also states in Philippians 3:6 that within the righteousness found in the Law he was without blame. in Acts 25:8 Paul states, "I haven't broken any Judean law or done anything against the Temple or the Caesar." Paul says he was not only a good law keeper, but a good Freeborn Roman. Hebrews was written to those who would enter into the covenant with the Messiah. They were admonished that there choice was one of importance, which they needed to count the cost. Not some yardstick pat on the head by some Gnostic. But the everlasting Gospel which saves to the uttermost.

[Evang.Benincasa]

Originally Posted by deacon blues

It's CASTE system, FYI.

Get a life.