A Picture of Grace from God's Point of View

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Originally Posted by shazeep

by all means, judge then; perhaps you will not be judged.

It's not my place to judge and I haven't.

The word judged them already. Sorry, but the word says what the Word says, and you can try to justify yourself in saying it doesn't mean what it says all you like. But it does say what it says and already made the judgment. Argue with God and and tell him how wrong he is. It's His word, not mine.

Joh 3:18 KJV He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.

Don't forgive;

I forgive anyone.

it may be that you will still be forgiven. Dwell on the sins of others, and accuse them, for perhaps you are sinless, and qualified to cast the first stone.

We can forgive everyone of everything, but God is the judge, not us. And His word judged the issue already. No amount of forgiveness from us will move God to change His mind about what He will judge.

I judged no one. The Word did.

The passage in John is talking about you, too, although we as Christians never seem to see ourselves in these, do we? We are The Administrators!

We're not administrators'. The word is. I guess when the word says disbelief in the cross means one is lost, and we turn around and repeat that, we are judging? Hardly. You need to simply believe what the Word says, and realize it made the judgment.

If the Word never said anything about our need to believe in the work of the cross or be lost, then our statements that people are lost if they disbelieve would indeed be judging. But it just ain't so.

Sorry, But I will repeat what the word says is required when I tell people what is required.

Joh 3:18 KJV He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.

So, Shazeep, how can Muslims be saved when they teach Jesus did not die on the cross? And how can we forgive them and think that means they're saved? Does our forgiveness save them? Will God forgive them for not believing in the cross?

You can look for all the common beliefs we have with Islamics all you like, but none of them cancel out the fact they deny the specific thing that is the basis of salvation -- Jesus' death on the cross for our salvation. All the common elements we agree on are many, and good beliefs. BUT NONE OF THEM SAVE US.