Are all Catholics lost?

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Originally Posted by shazeep

you are presenting valid objections to Catholic doctrine, but not justifications for condemning an individual who identifies as Catholic imo.

If people believe those doctrinal truths, that makes them catholics. They would not be catholics if they did not believe those doctrinal statements. So, the doctrine is what makes the person a a catholic. So, if you believe those doctrinal statements are valid arguments against catholicism, then what does that say about people who believe those statements?

Put it this way:

Do you believe that people who hold those beliefs stated in those doctrines are saved?

You see, this is what you have been missing all along in my arguments. It's not PEOPLE that are the issue. It is DOCTRINE. BELIEF. And those who hold BELIEFS contrary to the word are in violation of salvation. You don't agree? You keep trying to make it about people, but the whole reason anyone is lost is not because of their person, but because of their BELIEF that violates the Word. That's the reason I have been saying it's not a sect, but rather what the bible says and whether or not we agree with the bible. the bible makes statements that directly contradict the doctrines I listed. So how can a person be saved if they believe a doctrine the bible contradicts?