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Originally Posted by votivesoul
Aquila, you wrote this in post #67 on page 7:
Then, on page 8, post #75, you wrote this:
How is it that deliverance ministers need to take a wait and see approach, which you claim can "take the most time", in order to confirm the presence of evil spirits by waiting for it to manifest if evil spirits manifest when Jesus is present?
Isn't that admitting that the wait and see approach, which can take a long time, means Jesus isn't present with or in the deliverance minister, and that they aren't "full of the Spirit", seeing as how they are having such a problem getting the evil spirit to manifest so they can confirm its presence?
Secondly, how is it that Jesus never had that problem but the people He has allegedly called into deliverance ministry do? What, He refuses to equip them with the same ability He had?
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Those are fair questions.
There are a number of reasons involved. In deliverance ministry, the casing out of devils is a part of a witness and testimony to Christ's power, just as it was in the NT. This actually builds faith in Christ, offers believers victory, joy, and confirms the Bible.
Also, the deliverance minister seeks to confirm that he or she isn't being lied to, that the individual in question isn't simply having emotional problems, or isn't just of a fearful disposition. Also the deliverance minister desires to permanently resolve the issue without a doubt.
So, confirmation is seen as a valuable factor. Of course confirmation isn't always possible, leaving only discernment, or good old fashioned faith. All of us have seen the dab of oil, a prayer, and some assurance. Many times that works. But many times individuals continue to struggle under demonic oppression. Deliverance ministry seeks to permanently resolve the problem and bring sure deliverance. True deliverance ministry is not all about spirits, it's about setting captives free and changing lives through the demonstrated power and authority of Jesus.
The time it takes to confirm a spirits presence doesn't mean that Jesus isn't present. Nor does it mean that the deliverance minister isn't filled with the Holy Spirit. It simply means that the atmosphere isn't ripe to strike a chord with the demon. Jesus never had this problem, He was God Himself in flesh. We are human. Once the atmosphere is filled with faith, expectancy, and worship, the presence of God is at the level necessary to provoke the evil spirit. Even our church services can be bogged down, and need pushed by the worship leader to the place wherein the atmosphere is ripe to manifest the anointing. So, the notion is nothing new. The proper level of faith, focus, and worship is what must be attained. Pray through until the power and anointing is released by the move of the Holy Spirit.
The same question can be asked regarding healing. Jesus healed with 100% success. Why aren't those called to pray for the sick experiencing the same success?
Jesus was God. We are not.
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