Saved Without A Pastor??

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Originally Posted by Tithesmeister

I don't think so. I have studied a passage of scripture that does not harmonize or reconcile with another on the surface. I then studied the Strongs concordance to see what it translated to in the Greek. The definitions do not equate with the relationship of the pastor and saint.




This is correct. Where were the pastors? They are not mentioned. The scriptural model of the early church was for oversight by the elders (plural) not pastor (singular). When Paul came to Jerusalem he called for the elders (plural) of the church at Ephesus to meet him at Miletus.

Acts.20
[17] And from Miletus he sent to Ephesus, and called the elders of the church

Why didn't he ever mention the pastor? Notice that the elders are plural?
The setting for this meeting was that Paul was never going to see them again. This was his last meeting with them face to face, and they knew it was to be. It was a VERY important meeting. So why wasn't the pastor mentioned if he was the head of the church of Ephesus? Because the elders were given oversight of the church.

I have a question for you (okay a compound one). Who was the pastor of the church of Jerusalem? Colosse? Rome? Phillipi? Macedonia? Corinth? Galatia? Laodicea? Philadelphia? And on and on I could go. Do you know? If you do, please share scripture saying so. Also, do you have any record of a pastor being ordained in the Bible? Please share. How about elders? (plural) Yes!!! There is a record of elders being ordained, but not pastors.



You are asking if I have a problem with authority. I don't believe I do. Do you have a problem with quoting scripture that the pastor has authority over me? I'd like to see it if you do. Are you a pastor? I think that I remember that you are. Could you quote scripture about submitting? I believe in submitting. Who does the Bible say we are to submit to?

Brother, you seem to want to discount the passage of scripture about being a servant if you are wanting to be the chief.

What does this verse mean to you?

27 And whosoever will be chief among you, let him be your servant:

Does a servant have authority over his master?

Please respond.

By the way, I do have a problem with false doctrine, so if you have scripture to back up what you're saying, that would be appreciated. Okay?

And . . . the answer to the last questions about the home church and the leader/pastor? Yes and yes.

You seem to have missed my entire point.
The above passage is not about church government.
It is about dealing with an issue among the twelve.