Psychotropic Drugs in Religious Rituals

[Aquila]

Originally Posted by Evang.Benincasa

No, have you?

You know they tried to get me to get prescription meds for my PTSD.

No, Chris, it was a mixture of used for irritable stomach. What we do down here is take Braggs Apple Cider Vinegar mixed with water to aid in hydration. Also in the Middle East the ancients used fermented milks and vegetables to aid in digestion. All Judeans and Israelis practiced moderation, in foods, and in wine. Also ancient fermented wine is about 10 proof, far from the super wines we have today. Also the poor had a wine called vinegar which was heavily watered down, and was about 5 proof 2.5 % A B V. Hence the reason they drank MIXED WINE Proverbs 23:30. They did it to get hammered.

Godly men didn't get hammered. But there were plenty of drunkards. I'm sure that if you did a deep study on it, you'll discover that they had wines just as strong as any of ours. They had "strong drink" too, which was much like our liquors. The lighter wines you're talking about were used for daily drinking because it was safer than the water.

You also mentioned aspirin, so? Here is where you start posting to your opponent like they are morons. Do you have any friends outside this forum? 'm serious as a heart attack, you need to find a group of people who believe in Jesus Christ, the power of Jesus name, baptism in Jesus name, the infilling of the Holy Ghost to the miraculous power! Get help.

No. I have absolutely no friends outside of this forum. Not a single one. lol

And none of them are Apostolic, they're all heathen pagans, drinking green tea to the triune god. lol

Yeah, like back in the 1960s Camel cigarettes claimed more doctors smoked their brand. Cocaine was supposed to help you with asthma, menstrual cramps, baldness, seizures. Opium juice a panacea for its treatment of headaches, nausea, depression, diarrhea, gout. Even Benjamin Franklin used it, and loved it. Quaker’s Black Drop, an opium-based lozenge, and Dr. Barton’s “brown mixture,” which combined opium with licorice. What about Morphine! After the Civil War vets were returning with PTSD, they weren't sent to the little church down the lane. They were given morphine to calm shell shock. Look, we've been suffering as a people for hundreds of years, not from just illness, but for the stupidity of "Some studies indicate!!!"

You're comparing the heyday of false advertising, non-existent studies, and outright lies to modern, peer reviewed, studies throughout the international community? LOL

If a bullfrog had wings he wouldn't bump his rear end every time he hopped.

LOL! Awesome quote. Love it.

The Holy Ghost works, dope doesn't.

Cannabis only treats symptoms. God heals as He desires in any manner He chooses, if He chooses at all. I think it is presumptuous to assume that God is like a cosmic Santa Claus who will always give us everything on our Christmas list. God didn't deliver Paul from his thorn in the flesh. And obviously, God hadn't healed Timothy of his stomach problems. The painful truth is... God doesn't always heal.

We have the history of potheads and Holy Ghost filled saints. Sorry, but smoking a shake bag doesn't get you to a brighter day

Well, maybe you've not experienced the dark days of PTSD. And, I'm thankful that you haven't. It's hell on earth sometimes.

When was the last time you smoke weed?

It's been a while.

Chris, heroin was once given to children for seizures, pot effects the brain adversely. Burn out ring a bell? Mr Expert? Your quote was hypothetical? So, what does that mean? You actually didn't believe your hypothesis would work? Chris, your quote is what you believed, what you believe would happen if people smoked pot. That was your hypothetical for a hypothetical dad who needed a to stop blowing up with his family. A dad who didn't have a good relationship with people around him. He smokes a bag, and he is walking in victory and newness of life. Hypothetical, made up story, a hallucination, something you dreamed, whatever, you posted that people smoking grass will be converted to newness of life.

Nope. Cannabis doesn't offer the newness of life that Jesus does. Never has, never will. But, for some, it can help with various symptoms they find themselves having to live with. Like any medication, it helps, but it isn't the answer to everything.

Chris, own it, stop already.

I can't own what you're saying because you're distorting my points.

Aquila, you became a member when you were an Apostolic. You got your divorce while you were a member. You were here during the IHATEAPOSTOLIC days when everyone loved to discuss how the Ultra conservative Apostolics were cults. You were here when the Apostolics mostly left to other forums which didn't have the "I hate pastors, I hate standards, I hate tithing to a pastor, I hate having anyone tell me anything" crew. But I guess that is what always strikes me odd about religious people, they are nuts. They leave Islam, but want to hang out with Muslims, and complain about Islam. Problem is, that the devout Muslims don't allow it. Catholics also don't play, Eastern Orthodox don't have time, Hindus, really don't dig hearing the opinion of those who leave Hinduism. But seriously, if I wasn't Apostolic Pentecostal, I would NEVER post here EVER!!!!!

I'm Apostolic. I still believe in Oneness, Acts 2:38, speaking in tongues, and the rest of it. I just don't buy into the legalisms.

You were the kid smoking oregano. Dude did you even hang out with smokers? Did you listen to the Dead and go to the concerts, ever been to a Dead concert? Bro, did you know any crispy dudes and dudettes?

Actually, no, I didn't. lol

I didn't even touch a drop of alcohol until I was 30. No, I never listened to "the Dead" or go to the concerts. And no, I've never known any "crisp dudes or dudettes". I know vets, paramedics, doctors, police officers, and men currently in the military, some of which smoke cannabis to ease anxiety, stress, and symptoms of PTSD. I've been to Amsterdam and California (San Francisco), and I've mingled with some of the natural healing crowd who are a part of the budding (pun intended) cannabis industry.

No my man, you are advocating that.
No doubt in my mind.

Well, you're wrong.

When was the last time you smoked a joint? When was the last time you ingested cannabis?

Like I said, it's been a while. It's illegal in Ohio without being registered for medical, so my experience with it has been mainly while abroad.

But why? Why would you go as far to paint dope as a life changing conversion? Pretty telling how you framed your hypothetical? Or else you believe we are the blind, and you are the one eyed king?

Why would you keep insisting that I paint "dope" as a "life changing conversion" when I haven't? I'm only speaking in the context of its medicinal value.

Bro, you are back peddling, I have been reading your stuff since you were in a conservative Apostolic church. Blowing out of proportion? You would like everyone to believe that. Yet, you are a skater, shapshifter, you want to smoke dope to get your inner demons under control. Well, that's all on you. Hard trying to get someone who was once in Holy Ghost services to believe that could ever help them again. Didn't you say you went to an Apostolic Church and your PTSD started acting up? Hey, don't answer that, this conversation is going nowhere.

My PTSD acted up because of the bang-clang music and the screaming. I've enjoyed quite a few Apostolic Bible studies since then. I also don't like any crowded places. I was at a county fair and the loud speakers near the hogs sent me into cold sweats when someone shouted like they were surprised at something. Loud noises, sudden loud noises, dropped drinking glasses, car horns, screaming, shouting, being startled, those things are triggers.

What a shame.

The only shame is the mischaracterizations and distortions you're making to malign my character and reframe my statements and intentions.