Charismatic Sweep

[Esaias]

Originally Posted by Michael The Disciple

If you have ever discussed holiness with the Evangelicals you will learn their version of the "finished work" doctrine. Jesus did it all on the cross. If you think you must DO anything to yet attain final salvation you are a heretic. I am saying that indeed both Charismatics and Pentecostals are now teaching this same thing and reject the truth of sinless perfection. I actually thought you and I agreed on this.

This is what Untraditional William was alluding to in his Hyper Grace Thread. He was saying it was getting into the Apostolic Movement just like you all are saying about the Charismatics getting in.

As far as answering hard questions I can say the same about you. You give answers that you THINK are correct and they dont seem to be. I give answers and you dont accept them.

Why should I have to explain something over and over when you just say Im not answering? Its true that I wont go on forever in threads where its obvious no one is paying attention.

Blessings to you.

1. We've been round and round about your and the evangelicals false and historically incorrect understanding of the Pentecostal Finished Work view of entire sanctification. Once again your mischaracterization and utter lack of interest in at least using historically accurate terms and definitions means you simply have an agenda that is NOT focused on truth and accuracy.

2. Your failure to answer questions about your doctrine is NOT about you giving explanations I don't agree with. It's about you cutting and running and refusing to even respond to questions, like "if all things were made by the logos, but the logos was also made, then the logos made the logos, right?" etc.

3. I ALWAYS answer questions put to me about what I teach, EXCEPT when the questioner has already refused to answer questions put to them.

4. Sinless perfection means no sin. Sin is the transgression of the law, including the Fourth Commandment. So no, you and I do NOT agree on the doctrine of Christian perfection. You, like many others, redefine sin to exclude things you practice and allow, like Sabbath breaking.

Look, I generally like you. But you've got some serious hangups that are keeping you from the full apostolic truth. Apostolic as in "taught and practiced by the apostles".