Charismatic Sweep

[Michael The Disciple]

If the logos made ALL THINGS THAT WERE MADE WITHOUT EXCEPTION, and the logos itself was made, then how is that not saying the logos made itself?

Before creation God was invisible omnipresent Spirit. He was alone and by himself. No one existed with him so he had no need for a form. At or before the creation he formed, created, or begat a visible image of HIMSELF to manifest his presence to that which he would make.

The Logos was Gods image not the totality of Gods essence. It was the omnipresent Spirit that brought forth the Logos not the other way around.

That which was IN THE LOGOS created all things THROUGH THE LOGOS.

God himself was the Logos. God made all things alone and by himself through the Logos.

Really? Are you under the impression that if you just answer questions perfectly the questioner will AGREE with you? I never claimed that. I DO however actually try to answer questions.

That is my point to you. My answer was given in various threads on the forum with scripture with which you disagreed. When you accuse someone of not answering a question it APPEARS that means its not answered IN YOUR understanding.

Having said that I will not go over and over and over in a discussion something that I believe I have answered the best I know how already. Now if someone new comes into the discussion I may go over it anew as in the last Logos thread on this very topic. Otherwise there probably is no point in telling someone the same thing over and over when they have already rejected it.

Neither I nor anybody else on this forum claims anybody is "under the law of Moses".

Strange. In the Hyper Grace thread you did that very thing in an attack against me using 1 John 3:4.

See? The only "real answers" anybody can give you are those you ALREADY AGREE WITH! How you can't see the problem with that is mind blowing.

Hmmm I COULD say the same about you!

I would inject this into what you said. I am one who has changed practically EVERYTHING I started out believing. It was in cases where I was taught things and accepted them as true but later on when scripture was pointed out in more of a rightly divided way I was able by Gods grace to change and move on.

Who did you play in the Wizard of Oz?

Anyways, nobody is under the law of Moses. That never was the issue. Do you think saying "As a Christian you must obey God's Word" is being a Judaizer? Legalist? Works salvation? Sound familiar? You are sounding just like the evangelical antinomians you complain about.

Well if we are not under the law of Moses obviously we are not required to keep Sabbath. Its nowhere else taught in the Bible except in reference to the law of Moses.

A "Judaizer" in common discussion is one trying to bring people under the law of Moses. That is what you SEEM to be doing by teaching the Sabbath.