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Originally Posted by Praxeas
See this is typical. You are changing the original assertion and the facts. The assertion was made by EB that Peter had no faith and did not pray BEFORE Pentecost and then he set out trying to prove that by quoting scriptures that show Peter sleeping while Jesus was praying and then Peter's failure. Sorry but that does not prove Peter had no faith and did not pray before Pentecost
But EB said Peter had NO faith! How can Peter's faith be tested if he had no faith? How can Peter's faith fail him if he had no faith? Hello? Peter had faith before Pentecost. In fact unless the bible is a liar ALL men have a measure of faith given to them by God, yes even before Pentecost.
So how does that prove Peter never prayed before Pentecost? All that shows is while they were there praying Peter and the others fell asleep. That does not prove EBs assertion that Peter had no faith and did not pray before Pentecost
Yet EB is claiming absulutely that Peter did NOT pray and did NOT have faith before Pentecost and you are slapping him on the back as if you agree....odd
Baloney! They could NOT do any miracles without the faith. If Peter had NO faith as EB is asserting and you are slapping him on the back in agreement, Peter never could have cast out a single demon or heal the sick.
Judas had faith too. The bible says ALL men have a measure of faith given to them. In fact you already agreed Peter had some measure of faith when you said his faith was tested!
NOT TRUE!
Rom 12:3 For I say, through the grace given unto me, to every man that is among you, not to think of himself more highly than he ought to think; but to think soberly, according as God hath dealt to every man the measure of faith.
Every man has a measure of faith, but not every man is saved. Muslims are faithful to the quran, does that mean they have faith because they are faithFUL? Jesus said the reason he could not heal or do a lot of miracles is because the people lacked the faith to receive them. That proves faith is necessary for the miracles to happen, yet of all those many many people that were healed and received miracles only 120 were there on the day of Pentecost. They did not follow Jesus
Nobody asked about a LEVEL of faith. See, like EB, you are changing the subject. This is a classic strawman argument. The topic was EB claims that Peter had NO faith and NO prayer before Pentecost. Then when I thumped you both on that topic you both resorted to logical fallacies by trying to9 change what it was we were actually talking about |
Praxeas, why is it that ever since I first gazed at one of your posts (FCF) you always mange to accuse (whoever you're arguing with) that they are trying to build a strawman argument with you?
The Peter situation is real simple; you are making it complex. You're wrong, live with it. Stop rabbit trailing and stick with the issue. Jesus didn't intend for Peter to be stabbing and slabbing the high priest's servant at Jesus' arrest. Jesus told Peter that Peter faith was as weak as your air rifle, and Peter sank because he was faithless and doubted. Countless Apostolic Ministers have preached these issues across the U.S.A. If this happens to be the first time you are hearing this information that is fine also, then all you need to do is pull up a chair and allow L&F to teach you.
Jesus never taught self defense nor had He ever asked Peter to snatch a pebble out of His hand.
Praxeas, the New Covenant Church is non-retaliation
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