Firearms Refresher Course

[TK Burk]

Originally Posted by Evang.Benincasa

Brothers I was not raised in the church and I grew up pretty rough. I don't feel to go into details. I currently live in a neighborhood that on certain nights you can hear gun shots, helicopters, screams, had caught an individual in my back yard and escorted him back to the police who were chasing him (with out deadly force). I walk around the city of Fort Lauderdale and meet all different kinds of people. I talk with homeless, prostitutes (male, and females) drug dealers, gang members, and plain all around lunatics. No weapons do I carry, my 6-year-old daughter comes with me when I do Bible studies in front of one store where they have tables and chairs. If anyone is cursing or acting up I know how to persuade them to mind their manners.

All those with out using deadly force, or having to get down to the other persons level. My father taught me while I was still young that life was far from being a Hollywood movie and some times you give a beating and some times you take a beating. I have experienced both. I love my daughters and my wife and the Brothers and Sisters in the church family down here.

I would like to make this plain, no disrespect to the elders who have posted their views in this thread. The Lord knows I love you Brothers, I just have to say I will never hurt another person ever again. I will not go to a place where I would have to feel the locked focus of having to see the "other" individual as something that needs to be shut down, put out of commission.

Brothers I love my family and If we would have a situation (on the road or in my home) I would deal with it, through the power of the Holy Ghost. The Lord would give me what I needed at that time. I hate seeing children in fear, especially my own kin, and I would feel my blood run cold if anything would cause my girls to be frightened. I pray to the Lord and I am totally confident that He honors His word the same way He honors it when I pray for a sick person, with cancer, or another illness. The same way He honors it when I cast out a devil or when I baptize someone in Jesus name, and pray them through to speaking in tongues.

Is anything too hard for the Lord? Can He protect my babies and my wife like He did for Lot? I believe He will, and He has protected my family as we traveled 24 hrs to 48 hr (at times) driving in the old Lincoln through truck stops across this country. Passing through bad neighborhoods, rough towns, and during break downs when there was no one but me and my wife and an infant in a car seat.

I preach living on faith, I'm full time and the only one I depend on is Jesus, and if He can't get me out of a situation then I don't think I could do any better.

I am convinced that Jesus taught non-retaliation, no use of deadly force for any reason. You all pray for me.

If an attacker tried to hurt my children or wife, I would stand in front of them. The attacker or attackers would never get passed me. I would never need to use deadly force, just the power of Jesus Name.

In Jesus name

Brother Benincasa

www.OnTimeJournal.com

AWESOME POST!

[stmatthew]

Originally Posted by Coonskinner

Matt, I offer no defense here.

You guys are just farther along in your walk with God than I am.

My dear Brother,

I do not believe that for one second.



p.s. no smilies in this post, as I am just stating the facts.

[Evang.Benincasa]

HOC SIGNO VINCES or "in this sign conquer" was what Constantine believed God spoke to Him in a vision at the Battle at Milvian Bridge. At this point is where Christianity was converted into a religion of the "just war" and God was taken from the OT and made the defender of any country who had a "just cause" or a righteous beef. Prior to Helena and Constantine's so-called conversion Christianity was a passive and persecuted religion in the Roman Empire. We have no record of war like uprisings coming out of the Christian community prior to the Constantine Pagan baptism of Christianity.

In Jesus name

Brother Benincasa

www.OnTimeJournal.com

[TK Burk]

Originally Posted by Evang.Benincasa

HOC SIGNO VINCES or "in this sign conquer" was what Constantine believed God spoke to Him in a vision at the Battle at Milvian Bridge. At this point is where Christianity was converted into a religion of the "just war" and God was taken from the OT and made the defender of any country who had a "just cause" or a righteous beef. Prior to Helena and Constantine's so-called conversion Christianity was a passive and persecuted religion in the Roman Empire. We have no record of war like uprisings coming out of the Christian community prior to the Constantine Pagan baptism of Christianity.

In Jesus name

Brother Benincasa

www.OnTimeJournal.com

The source for Constantine's word (and worship) was the SUN, not the SON!

[Evang.Benincasa]

Originally Posted by Lost and Found

The source for Constantine's word (and worship) was the SUN, not the SON!

That's just my point. Christianity was influenced by Constantine's so-called conversion. His mother "Helena" was the Jezebel, and Constantine was the "Ahab" vehicle in what she propelled her Paganizing of Christianity.

The doctrine of the "just war" is what American Christianity has adopted.

During the Civil War both sides employed this ideology with the North justifying her actions by claiming that she was fighting to set men free. Therefore being more righteous than her Southern brothers who the Northerners shot and laid waste to their Southern brother's homes.

[TK Burk]

Constantine got his message to “go and conquer in this sign” supposedly from seeing a cross in the sun. Constantine was a worshipper of the sun-god Apollo. Apollo is said to be the Greek god of death and pestilence as well as of the sun, music, poetry, crops and herds, and medicine. We know Jesus would never tell any man to kill in the sign of the cross. So the message Constantine received was influenced by his SUN god, not by the Son of God. Yet, as you said, Constantine is the one who claimed the church should now participate in “just” wars. But it was never that way before Constantine’s alleged conversion.

[TK Burk]

Originally Posted by Evang.Benincasa

During the Civil War both sides employed this ideology with the North justifying her actions by claiming that she was fighting to set men free. Therefore being more righteous than her Southern brothers who the Northerners shot and laid waste to their Southern brother's homes.

What if BOTH sides are praying to the same God? Both believing they are justified in fighting for the side and for cause to which they are aligned? What is it then? ‘Justified’ war? Or is it killing a fellow believer?

In December of 1914, however, a strange thing happened on the Western front. It was Christmas Eve, and the weather suddenly got cold, freezing the slush and water of the trenches in which the men were bunkered down. In the German trenches soldiers started lighting candles. British sentries reported that there appeared to be small lights, raised on poles or bayonets and although these lanterns clearly illuminated the German troops, the British held their fire. Even more startlingly, British officers saw through binoculars that some enemy troops were holding Christmas trees over their heads with lighted candles in their branches!'' The Germans, who celebrate Christmas on Christmas Eve, were extending holiday greetings to their enemies.

A few German soldiers started singing carols and it was soon picked up all along the line as others joined in harmonizing. Then they began singing "Stille Nacht! Heilige Nacht!" The British immediately recognized the melody and began singing "Silent Night" along with the Germans.

Then occurred one of the most unusual incidents in military history. One by one, soldiers on both sides laid down their weapons and ventured into no man's land - too many of them to prevent their superior officers from objecting. An undeclared truce had broken out spontaneously, against all orders and the rules of military combat.

Hours later these same "brothers" were once again killing and maiming each other, all in the name of the same God. And THIS is Christlike? This is what Jesus blesses us for participating in? This is what makes a man a 'good man'? I think NOT, and more importantly, Jesus' Word thinks NOT as well!

[QUOTE=Lost and Found;220336]Lost? Yep, I bet you think I am! HA!

I NEVER said I would do NOTHING. That is a complete misrepresentation.

Why don't you give a correct representation? I asked you what would you do if you came home to find your wife under attack or your little daughter being raped? You leave the rest of us to believe that you would just go to your knees and start praying for the man, since you are telling us that is what Jesus said to do.

My wife KNOWS what I would do.

If she does, then she knows that you will not knock the man's head off his shoulders. That would be rendering evil for evil. That would not be praying for him. That would be taking veangence. That would not be doing good to your enemy. All of that would be in direct opposition to scriptures.

So, she knows that you would obey scriptures as you see it. You would prepare the man's bath water for him in an effort to doing good for your enemy. Afterwards, you would prepare dinner for him.

You are probably the most spiritual man that I have ever known of in all my entire life. I am highly impressed. I am sure that you and Jesus are almost twins.

I have put her out of harms way before.

What does that mean?

But, she also believes in what God is capable of doing.

Everybody knows what God is capable of doing.

Brother Strange, where we differ is not in defending against such attacks, but the degree in which we are willing to trust God.

Exactly. There is no way that a heathern like me could possibly trust God. If you only knew my testimony...

[TK Burk]

Originally Posted by Brother Strange

Why don't you give a correct representation? I asked you what would you do if you came home to find your wife under attack or your little daughter being raped? You leave the rest of us to believe that you would just go to your knees and start praying for the man, since you are telling us that is what Jesus said to do.

Do you even read my posts? I did answer what I would do and I gave you examples from my experience. Maybe why you are ignoring my examples is because they are too much against what you are trying to support?

Brother Strange, you have been asked MANY TIMES to give scriptural support for what you say is so Christlike and so biblical. PLEASE, share these verses with us.

[TK Burk]

Pacifism is not synonymous with non-intervention. You can involve yourself and make a difference without needing to carry a weapon or to shoot someone and end their life.

again for Brother Strange