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Originally Posted by Praxeas
How was I not being civil to you personally? I don't see anyone else here being civil to me, however you made some points that I am pointing out are irrelevant. Nobody here is advocating rendering evil for evil or retribution. You are or were comparing apples to oranges.
Also I fail to see why this discussion has to be on YOUR terms...you and EB and L&F by saying "from a new testament point of view".
What's with the "new Testament point of view" all of a sudden? Why is it on some issues we can use the OT but on others we are limited to the NT? That's awefully convenient don't you think?
It would be interesting to see if StMatt, EB and L&F would promise right here and now to NEVER EVER use the OT again. To prove and sustain and substantiate everything from the NT only.
The entire bible makes a clear distinction between murdering someone and taking a life for other reasons, even accidentally. We all agree murder and retribution is wrong. Posting scriptures over and over, repeating them that prove retribution is wrong is firing off in the wrong direction. Self defense and protecting someones life is NOT retribution, vengeance or pay back.
You guys can post those verses over and over but they don't address the topic of self defense or defending a loved one from harm
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Prax,
That is what I see in their arguments too. There is a serious deficit in communication, or a bait-and-switch, or something.
You've decided to hold out until you talk them in to giving up. Have fun with that. Or not.
I've decided to do other things.
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