It's Either You or Me

[Baron1710]

Originally Posted by Ron

The seven sons of sceva had no power because they had no Holy Ghost.
Now if you have the Holy Ghost, you don't need a gun.

Trust Jesus or trusty Guns?

With Demons I trust Jesus, with man I trust Colt.

[Ron]

Originally Posted by Baron1710

With Demons I trust Jesus, with man I trust Colt.

Soooo, your faith has limits?

[rgcraig]

Words can kill.

[Rico]

Originally Posted by stmatthew

Just to put this verse into a New Testament perspective.....


Matt 5:43 Ye have heard that it hath been said, Thou shalt love thy neighbour, and hate thine enemy.


THIS is what the old testament called for (eye for an eye)


Matt 5:44 But I say unto you, Love your enemies, bless them that curse you, do good to them that hate you, and pray for them which despitefully use you, and persecute you;


THIS is what Jesus calls his new testament church to (Love)


So I ask again, can one fulfill the scripture by loving their enemy, blessing the one cursing you, doing good to the one hating you, and praying for the one despitefully using and persecuting you.....................and at the same time blow them away with a shotgun??

Sure I can. In fact, I have a neighbor right now that has been driving me nuts with his antics. Have I gone over there and rearranged the shape of his head for beating on my door? Nope. Have I wanted to? Yup. Why didn't I? Cause the Bible says to love my enemies, bless them that hate me, and to pray for them which despitefully use and persecute me. If he beats my door down and attacks my family, I'm gonna introduce him to my Louisevile Slugger.

[Baron1710]

Originally Posted by Ron

Soooo, your faith has limits?

Nope. I am a realist, and I believe in free will. God doesn't override the will of man. Demons he has authority over man he has given choices, God is a gentleman he doesn't force anyone.

[Rico]

Originally Posted by Ron

Again Rico, I don't see him as seeing that.
He is saying (I may stand corrected by him) that if we have the Holy Ghost we don't need to trust in guns.

That is the simple point.

Notice I did not say you can't own a gun.

No Brother. He has suggested we are like the sons of Sceva, who did not have the Holy Ghost. I've been around these forums long enough to know an insult when I see one, Brother. I was born at night, but not tomorrow night.

[Ron]

Originally Posted by Baron1710

Nope. I am a realist, and I believe in free will. God doesn't override the will of man. Demons he has authority over man he has given choices, God is a gentleman he doesn't force anyone.

Well, I have seen him intervene and persuade people!

[Ron]

Originally Posted by Rico

No Brother. He has suggested we are like the sons of Sceva, who did not have the Holy Ghost. I've been around these forums long enough to know an insult when I see one, Brother. I was born at night, but not tomorrow night.

I didn't take that way-but that is just me.

[Rico]

Originally Posted by Ron

Okay, with that in mind, you won't need to use a gun!

As far as me, I have only known the Lord for a little over 25 years.

In that time I have failed him--but not once has he failed me!

He's never failed me and never will, Brother. You are doing a poor job of proving that this is a lack of faith on our part, Ron.

[Baron1710]

Originally Posted by Ron

Well, I have seen him intervene and persuade people!

Maybe because He defends the defenseless, (e.g. Canadians)