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Old 07-11-2008, 07:07 AM
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Re: Brad: Adopted son of Abraham & Spiritual Jew!

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People who try obey the Torah in addition to being a Christian ought to consider the words of Paul to the Galatians. As well as his overall struggle against those that would put Christians under bondage to the law.

1 Corinthians 7:19
Circumcision is nothing and uncircumcision is nothing. Keeping God's commands is what counts.

Not according to the law.

Galatians 2:3-5
Yet not even Titus, who was with me, was compelled to be circumcised, even though he was a Greek. This matter arose because some false brothers had infiltrated our ranks to spy on the freedom we have in Christ Jesus and to make us slaves. We did not give in to them for a moment, so that the truth of the gospel might remain with you.

15"We who are Jews by birth and not 'Gentile sinners' 16know that a man is not justified by observing the law, but by faith in Jesus Christ. So we, too, have put our faith in Christ Jesus that we may be justified by faith in Christ and not by observing the law, because by observing the law no one will be justified.

Galatians 2:17-21
"If, while we seek to be justified in Christ, it becomes evident that we ourselves are sinners, does that mean that Christ promotes sin? Absolutely not! If I rebuild what I destroyed, I prove that I am a lawbreaker. For through the law I died to the law so that I might live for God. I have been crucified with Christ and I no longer live, but Christ lives in me. The life I live in the body, I live by faith in the Son of God, who loved me and gave himself for me. I do not set aside the grace of God, for if righteousness could be gained through the law, Christ died for nothing!"[d]

The problem is Baron you do not comprehend anything I have written.

1) I have never said live according to the MC. Which would nullify the atonement of Christ as there is no atonement in the MC and not new preisthood.
2) Do you not believe stealing is wrong? Is it a SIN? Then according to YOUR logic you have brought the law if you answer YES!
3) Circumcision is a sign of the covenant made to Abraham and his people. It was a type of that which was to come. It was the sign of the outward aspect of the law. THe new covenant is a inward thus written on our hearts to be expressed.
4) Then if you are free from "LAW" you are antinominian and you believe in eternal security. Also you are not under NEW Covenant as by definition it meane New LAW! You trying to say God's opinion on sin changes. Then you call God a liar and say his nature changes. SIN is still SIN and Paul pointed to what SIN was and he pointed to the MC.
5) Obviously freedom did not includethe RIGHT to SIN? Shall we continue in sin that Grace may abound? Tell me what sin is? Or is there no SIN?
6) The law of circumcision is still here. One must still be circumcised! It is a circumcision of the HEART. Circumcision only changed forms!
7) Nobody has claimed to be justified by the LAW of MOSES!
8) We study the scripture and see God's righteousness THROUGHOUT the WHOLE BIBLE! Thus apply it to our lives. ALL SCRIPTURE..... is given instruction in righteousness which is a reference to the OT. They did not have a BIBLE of all the writing back then.
9) By understanding what is good, right and holy in his word we seek to reflect him not for salvation but because of love! We don't sit back and go oh well God does not care about ALL of my life. So I will just live and eat whatever I want. Sure you may be under grace but it does not mean that a mature Christian should not be more understanding as a whole of what God wants in ALL of your life. That includes your health.
10) Babies live in the graces of those who feed them. They grow up and mature and realize after time what to do not to do and what to eat and not to eat spiritually.
11) You make two Gods. One of a OLD covenant and one of the NEW! You treat God like his nature changes like the wind. What God wants for you has not never ever changes. Growing in knowledge vs staying inthe elementary things is not going back into the law. It is understanding GOD in all his holiness.
12) You are not going back under the law by seeing and saying things that we should do in love to God. Again righteousness was in the OT. The problem it could not be attained through the weakness of our flesh. Only if one claims he is saved by WORKS of the LAW can one be said to try to gain salvation through personal merit instead of faith.
13) By saying Jesus broke law you make Jesus a transgressor and you clearly are putting your doctrinal glasses first than seeing basic principles of truth. By Jesus being a transgressor of the LAW, not in the errant view on the stupid pharisees! You make Jesus the spotten lamb that would need to make sacrifice his sins instead of the spotless lamb. Thus he could not be a sacrifice for all. This is HERETICAL!
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