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Originally Posted by Baron1710
Ok let’s try this again, If God tells you to break the law its OK? My position is he didn't break the law because the law was passing away soon to be gone forever, except for those folks who want to merge Christianity with a works based salvation based on the Law of Moses
The Bible tells us why the Jews sought to kill him, not what the Jews thought.
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1) the law had not passed away at that time!
2) Again NO LAW AGAINST WHAT JESUS DID! You are building fences like the Pharisees!
3) NOBODY is talking about merging anything! You seem to not realize this!
4) What is the definition of sin?
5) "The Bible tells us why the Jews sought to kill him, not what the Jews thought."
AGAIN, they sought to kill him because they had there own view! (facts of the event)
There view!
1) guy walking and caring his bed. TRANSGRESSION!
2) guy says "he told me to" Jesus in TRANSGRSSION as he told him to break the law.
3) Jesus in general word and action claims to be equal with God. TRANSGRESSION!
All of these facts say in the present state say YES he broke the law.
The problem is those are not ALL the facts.
1) No law against God working and God telling you what to do on the Sabbath as it is of God's initiative, not your own works thus not your burdens. Othewise really having a law given by God on what TO DO on the Sabbath would be a contradiction.
2) Guy walking caring his bed was instruction given by Jesus who is the Lord of the Sabbath and God manifested. Thus he did not sin as it was not work initiated of his own but divine instruction.
3) Jesus is God but the Jews did not believe him, if they would have the whole issue would have been moot as there is no law against to do what God tells you on the Sabbath. As God told his people to rest and gave instruction on limited action. Thus what God says goes on the Sabbath. God is not contradictory and the chain of divine order was not broken thus no transgression.
4) Jesus alleged breaking of the Sabbath pointed to his deity thus his ability to do as the will of God dictated as God is not limited on the Sabbath!
5) The general summary THEY DID NOT KNOW WHO JESUS WAS!
Also righteousness (to do what is right) does not change. Also merging Christianity in a works based salvation is something of your own concoction! Nobody is saying one is saved by doing the works of the law. If that is the case don't ever tell ANYONE to not, cheat, lie, steal, commit adultery, covet,hate your neighbor, etc.... Otherwise you are transgressing and abandoned grace, thus making the blood of non effect according to your view! Those and others are still viable as they are principles God has given to us. They transend covenants as God's nature is eternal as are his laws which reflect his nature and character! Simply doing them never saves us! Nor does pointing to them as "to do what is right throw us under the law" You can only be under the law if you use works of the law as justification for salvation. Nobody is claiming that!
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