Apostolic Friends Forum
Tab Menu 1
Go Back   Apostolic Friends Forum > The Fellowship Hall > Fellowship Hall
Facebook

Notices

Fellowship Hall The place to go for Fellowship & Fun!


Reply
 
Thread Tools Display Modes
  #61  
Old 07-30-2008, 09:43 PM
Timmy's Avatar
Timmy Timmy is offline
Don't ask.


 
Join Date: Mar 2007
Location: Texas
Posts: 24,212
Re: Lucifer

Quote:
Originally Posted by DerrickS View Post
Have you seen the movie Frailty? That's almost the exact plot.
No, I haven't. Worth a rental?
__________________
Hebrews 13:23 Know ye that our brother Timothy is set at liberty

More New Stuff in Timmy Talk!
My Countdown Counting down to: Rapture. Again.
Why am I not surprised?
Reply With Quote
  #62  
Old 07-30-2008, 09:51 PM
Timmy's Avatar
Timmy Timmy is offline
Don't ask.


 
Join Date: Mar 2007
Location: Texas
Posts: 24,212
Re: Lucifer

Quote:
Originally Posted by Sam View Post
No. I do not believe God would tell me to kill my neighbors.
But if He did?

You don't believe He would, but you can't be sure. He has given orders like that before. He told Abraham to kill his son. He told Deanna Laney to kill her children. Why wouldn't He tell you to kill your neighbors? Maybe He'd have some higher purpose for it that we'd be unable to explain. Maybe He'd test you to see if you would obey Him and (maybe) stop you just in time, like He did Abraham. (Sorry to say, He didn't stop Deanna Laney.)
__________________
Hebrews 13:23 Know ye that our brother Timothy is set at liberty

More New Stuff in Timmy Talk!
My Countdown Counting down to: Rapture. Again.
Why am I not surprised?
Reply With Quote
  #63  
Old 07-30-2008, 10:03 PM
OnTheFritz's Avatar
OnTheFritz OnTheFritz is offline
Tired of it.


 
Join Date: May 2008
Location: Texas
Posts: 1,645
Re: Lucifer

Quote:
Originally Posted by Timmy View Post
No, I haven't. Worth a rental?
Yeah, it's good. Bill Paxton stars and directs. A bit dark.
__________________
Believe those who are seeking the truth. Doubt those who find it. — André Gide

A foolish consistency is the hobgoblin of little minds... - Ralph Waldo Emerson
Reply With Quote
  #64  
Old 07-30-2008, 10:57 PM
Tyk Tyk is offline
Registered Member


 
Join Date: Jun 2008
Location: Nacogdoches, TX
Posts: 402
Re: Lucifer

Quote:
Originally Posted by Timmy View Post
But if He did?

You don't believe He would, but you can't be sure. He has given orders like that before. He told Abraham to kill his son. He told Deanna Laney to kill her children. Why wouldn't He tell you to kill your neighbors? Maybe He'd have some higher purpose for it that we'd be unable to explain. Maybe He'd test you to see if you would obey Him and (maybe) stop you just in time, like He did Abraham. (Sorry to say, He didn't stop Deanna Laney.)
To compare the father of the seed of Israel, who had walked with God all his life, to a crazy woman who's God was satan no doubt, its insanity.

I don't know God's voice like Abraham did, so no, I wouldn't kill my neighbor. God would have to do some super powerful convincing - kinda Moses and the Burning bush type stuff before I would even start considering what I heard was God. And even then, I have instructions otherwise so I might disobey and hope for grace

He asked Abraham because his son was the most precious thing in his life, yet he willingly would give it up to serve his God.

If you doubt SO much of the scripture, how can you believe ANY of it? I believe the original manuscripts were divine and perfectly correct. I feel our translations aren't very far off base, but might indeed contain some err. But if I felt like ANY of the obviously stated material was not true, I couldn't believe ANY of it. That kinda defeats the whole purpose. Taking what you like, or what makes sense to you isn't.

I do understand where you come from, and how easy it is to feel the way you do. It's just not correct to pick and choose what you believe - if you claim to be apostolic.
Reply With Quote
  #65  
Old 07-30-2008, 11:13 PM
Carpenter Carpenter is offline
Registered User


 
Join Date: Feb 2007
Posts: 3,289
Re: Lucifer

Quote:
Originally Posted by Dedicated Mind View Post
We know from the temptation of Christ, that Lucifer knows the scriptures... If he knows from scripture that his destiny is the lake of fire, why does he continue to deceive and rebel against God? I am referring to the time he is loosed after the 1000 years and goes to deceive the nations of Gog and Magog once again. Why doesn't he repent? Is repentance not available to him?
I would admonish you in one item, you gave the bugger honor by spelling his name correctly and capitalizing it.

You gave him too much credit.

Besides, his nature was changed and an individual cannot change their own nature. Someone or something would have to advocate on his behalf, and there is no one or no thing that would stand in the gap for old loosefur.
Reply With Quote
  #66  
Old 07-30-2008, 11:24 PM
Timmy's Avatar
Timmy Timmy is offline
Don't ask.


 
Join Date: Mar 2007
Location: Texas
Posts: 24,212
Re: Lucifer

Quote:
Originally Posted by Tyk View Post
To compare the father of the seed of Israel, who had walked with God all his life, to a crazy woman who's God was Satan no doubt, it insanity.
She's a Pentecostal. What makes you think she's crazy? She heard God's command and obeyed. (OK, I don't really believe that. But a Pentecostal has no reason to disbelieve her claim. God speaks to them all the time!)

Quote:
I don't know God's voice like Abraham did, so no, I wouldn't kill my neighbor.
Glad to hear that you wouldn't kill your neighbor. But:

John 10:4 And when he putteth forth his own sheep, he goeth before them, and the sheep follow him: for they know his voice.

Quote:
God would have to do some super powerful convincing - kinda Moses and the Burning bush type stuff.
And hope you're not just hallucinating!

Quote:
He asked Abraham because his son was the most precious thing in his life, yet he willingly would give it up to serve his God.
Yes, that was my point. God could give someone that test even today, couldn't He? (Again, a Pentecostal should believe this, though I certainly don't.)

Quote:
If you doubt SO much of the scripture, how can you believe ANY of it? I believe the original manuscripts were divine and perfectly correct. I feel our translations aren't very far off base, but might indeed contain some err. But if I felt like ANY of the obviously stated material was not true, I couldn't believe ANY of it. That kinda defeats the whole purpose. Taking what you like, or what makes sense to you isn't.

I do understand where you come from, and how easy it is to feel the way you do. It's just not correct to pick and choose what you believe - if you claim to be apostolic.
I'm not Apostolic. You must not have read very many of my posts.

But there very well could be some truth in the Bible, and some error. Is every modern book either 100% correct or 100% wrong? Why couldn't the Gospels (say) be correct, but Exodus wrong, or parts of it? Who says the folks who decided the canon got it just right: nothing there that shouldn't be, and nothing missing that should be?
__________________
Hebrews 13:23 Know ye that our brother Timothy is set at liberty

More New Stuff in Timmy Talk!
My Countdown Counting down to: Rapture. Again.
Why am I not surprised?
Reply With Quote
  #67  
Old 07-31-2008, 12:19 AM
gloryseeker gloryseeker is offline
Registered Member


 
Join Date: Feb 2008
Location: Land of fruits and nuts - California
Posts: 1,053
Re: Lucifer

Quote:
Originally Posted by Tyk View Post
To compare the father of the seed of Israel, who had walked with God all his life, to a crazy woman who's God was satan no doubt, its insanity.
That's an interesting statement..."who had walked with God all his life..." Seems to me his encounter with God was at around 75 years old and he was told to get out of his country and separate himself from his kin, yet he took his nephew with him. He started out in disobedience, birthed Ishmael along with a lot of other "stuck on stupid" events.

The at about 100 he staggard not at the promise...
Reply With Quote
  #68  
Old 07-31-2008, 12:26 AM
TRFrance's Avatar
TRFrance TRFrance is offline
Matthew 7:6


 
Join Date: Sep 2007
Posts: 4,768
Re: Lucifer

Quote:
Originally Posted by Dedicated Mind View Post
Why doesn't he repent? Is repentance not available to him?
Repentance is a gift from God.It's not just something we decide to do.
No one can come to God unless God draws him. (John 6:65)

God has not granted repentance to Lucifer.
He is the ultimate reprobate.
__________________
http://endtimeobserver.blogspot.com
Daniel 12:3 And those who are wise shall shine like the brightness of the firmament; and those who turn many to righteousness, like the stars for ever.

I'm T France, and I approved this message.
Reply With Quote
  #69  
Old 07-31-2008, 01:28 AM
Joelel Joelel is offline
Banned


 
Join Date: Mar 2007
Location: Tx.
Posts: 2,222
Re: Lucifer

God only controls the space around those who believe in him.Satan controls the rest.Satan is the baby killer ,not God.
Reply With Quote
  #70  
Old 07-31-2008, 07:27 AM
Timmy's Avatar
Timmy Timmy is offline
Don't ask.


 
Join Date: Mar 2007
Location: Texas
Posts: 24,212
Re: Lucifer

Quote:
Originally Posted by Joelel View Post
God only controls the space around those who believe in him.Satan controls the rest.Satan is the baby killer ,not God.
__________________
Hebrews 13:23 Know ye that our brother Timothy is set at liberty

More New Stuff in Timmy Talk!
My Countdown Counting down to: Rapture. Again.
Why am I not surprised?
Reply With Quote
Reply

Bookmarks


Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off

Forum Jump

Similar Threads
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
Why Did God Create Lucifer? Nahum Fellowship Hall 71 07-05-2008 10:16 PM
The Lucifer Spirit - T.F. Tenney Felicity Fellowship Hall 8 10-23-2007 06:25 AM
The Lucifer Effect Rhymis The Library 5 05-09-2007 07:59 AM

 
User Infomation
Your Avatar

Latest Threads
- by Salome
- by Amanah

Help Support AFF!

Advertisement




All times are GMT -6. The time now is 06:13 PM.


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.5
Copyright ©2000 - 2026, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.