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Originally Posted by Truthseeker
So we saved after we pay the debt, interesting. I thought the cross alone saves?
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I think you're confusing the terms. The term "saved" means that one is exempt from God's wrath based on their faith and obedience in regards to the Gospel of Jesus Christ. According to UR those who do not believe and obey the Gospel are not saved. They must endure God's judgment and be punished. The UR concept of punishment includes weeping and gnashing of teeth in Hell's flame, in the outer darkness until the end of the ages. The duration is incalculable, there is no way of relating to time in eternity. A soul's judgment will cause them essentially to endure Hell's torments until God has decided that they have paid the last mite. This horror is such that one second and trillions of years cannot be compared...it's a state of horrified timelessness until God deems the soul has adequately paid for their sin. Then, based on Christ's death on Calvary, God reconciles that soul to himself in the dateless future. Without the cross....all would be lost forever. With the cross, even those "lost" can be eventually reconciled.
It's a complex subject.
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