Do you BELIEVE in Christians being educated?

[GrowingPains]

Originally Posted by nahkoe

I'm not saying it's not a problem. But it's no more of a problem than going out into the world anywhere else. I work fast food. I see it and hear it there as much as I do at school. We don't live in a bubble, no matter how much we'd like to. If we're not preparing our children, it is our problem.



I was saying that preachers have their own problems with their worldview, just as professors do. And they get it wrong too. And when they get it wrong, it's a big mess.

This is where we humbly disagree. A student, hostage in a classroom by a professor who has authority and the benefit of having "knowledge", spending collectively 4 solid years of day-in, day-out teaching is not the same as a co-worker who flips burgers saying "God sucks."

I think you confuse "Worldview" with doctrines within the church.

[Falla39]

Originally Posted by stephen hoover

timmy, i think they will stand up to it... But if you succeed i am coming after you.

so precious!!

[nahkoe]

Originally Posted by GrowingPains

The Unified Christian worldview should not be confused with Christian doctrine -- there is a distinct different.

I'm not confusing worldview for doctrine.

Originally Posted by GrowingPains

I think we are splitting hairs. Of course I think our job is to have an appropriate reaction, but your statements were "the reason why we are failing, is because we are failing."

No they weren't.

Originally Posted by GrowingPains

I'm simply pointing out how dangerous a battlefied is. It does not promise immunity from casualties, no matter how much basic training and armor and ammunition.

I never said it did promise immunity.

Originally Posted by GrowingPains

The more sober we can be about the enemy, the better we can be about being prepared. The more dismissive we are about the worldviews taught in our Universities (and chalk it up as, 'it's just the world'), the more unpreprared we will be.

I am definitely not dismissive.

Originally Posted by GrowingPains

I only wish it were all as simple as you propose.

And I never said it was simple.

So I think there is definitely a serious misunderstanding going on. Either I'm not being clear (anyone else wanna chime in on that one?) or you're reading something other than what I'm really saying.

[nahkoe]

Originally Posted by GrowingPains

This is where we humbly disagree. A student, hostage in a classroom by a professor who has authority and the benefit of having "knowledge", spending collectively 4 solid years of day-in, day-out teaching is not the same as a co-worker who flips burgers saying "God sucks."

I think you confuse "Worldview" with doctrines within the church.

We're definitely not connecting somehow.

And unfortunately, I have to go corrupt my brain some more and study vs trying to explain myself yet again. I'm going to have to leave this misunderstanding unresolved.

[Timmy]

There's one detail that I am certainly not catching, in all this: GrowingPains, what exactly is the course of action you are recommending?

Nahkoe, I think I understand yours: it's for the church and parents to do a better job training the kids, so they can withstand the attacks on faith. Is that correct?

[GrowingPains]

Originally Posted by nahkoe

We're definitely not connecting somehow.

And unfortunately, I have to go corrupt my brain some more and study vs trying to explain myself yet again. I'm going to have to leave this misunderstanding unresolved.

See, now there's your misunderstanding: I don't feel learning is corruption. So, sounds like we have gone a full revolution of misunderstanding.

I'm taking what you're saying and applying it. There were several comments you made, and I'm paraphrasing. So, by simply saying "I didn't say that" isn't enough, because I'm making a paraphrase of your posts. If I'm wrong, thanks for correcting me. If you don't believe that, and didn't say it, then great! Have a wonderful 4th of July and good day!

[GrowingPains]

Originally Posted by Timmy

There's one detail that I am certainly not catching, in all this: GrowingPains, what exactly is the course of action you are recommending?

Nahkoe, I think I understand yours: it's for the church and parents to do a better job training the kids, so they can withstand the attacks on faith. Is that correct?

Timmy, I've understood Nahkoe's comments the same -- but they seemed to go beyond that, based on her statements. It was a straw man, if you will -- of course prevention is helpful, but the other part of this entire discussion was the "dangers" that are inherent with higher learning. The casualties are great. Some have "died" and others just simply walk "maimed."

Thinking idealistically that the average parent is going to keep up with Doctor Smith at Princeton University is wishful at best. Our parenting can help them 1) think critically, 2) prep them for what they will encounter as best we can and 3) equip them with a foundation. I'm certainly not arguing against that.

If I've misunderstood Nahkoe, then forgive me. It seems parenting was a fix-all, while not acknowledging the "evil professors" as one poster put it.

If this was a misunderstanding and we are arguing parallel points, well how 'bout that...

[Timmy]

Originally Posted by GrowingPains

Timmy, I've understood Nahkoe's comments the same -- but they seemed to go beyond that, based on her statements. It was a straw man, if you will -- of course prevention is helpful, but the other part of this entire discussion was the "dangers" that are inherent with higher learning. The casualties are great. Some have "died" and others just simply walk "maimed."

Thinking idealistically that the average parent is going to keep up with Doctor Smith at Princeton University is wishful at best. Our parenting can help them 1) think critically, 2) prep them for what they will encounter as best we can and 3) equip them with a foundation. I'm certainly not arguing against that.

If I've misunderstood Nahkoe, then forgive me. It seems parenting was a fix-all, while not acknowledging the "evil professors" as one poster put it.

If this was a misunderstanding and we are arguing parallel points, well how 'bout that...

And again, what exactly is the course of action you are recommending?

[nahkoe]

Originally Posted by Timmy

There's one detail that I am certainly not catching, in all this: GrowingPains, what exactly is the course of action you are recommending?

Nahkoe, I think I understand yours: it's for the church and parents to do a better job training the kids, so they can withstand the attacks on faith. Is that correct?

If you're concerned about your kids heading into something unprepared, then PREPARE THEM. No, it's not a promise that they won't deviate from the course you'd like them to stay on or hope they might take. It's a lot more effective than waiting until they're 17, 18 and going to college and deciding to pray for them. Definitely pray, but good grief! Give them something to hang onto, starting when they're young.

Is that more clearly stated?

[nahkoe]

Originally Posted by GrowingPains

See, now there's your misunderstanding: I don't feel learning is corruption. So, sounds like we have gone a full revolution of misunderstanding.

I'm taking what you're saying and applying it. There were several comments you made, and I'm paraphrasing. So, by simply saying "I didn't say that" isn't enough, because I'm making a paraphrase of your posts. If I'm wrong, thanks for correcting me. If you don't believe that, and didn't say it, then great! Have a wonderful 4th of July and good day!

I was more referring to the evil humanist professor of literature I need to please with my labors.

disclaimer: yes, I speak mostly tongue in cheek

Obviously I'm in no hurry to get to this. I really hate this class (the class, not the professor, although he's making me crazy too...being unprepared is so unprofessional!)