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Originally Posted by Praxeas
I've never labled MY arguments against what LS teaches as "Holy Magic Hair"
What I said was, we have all been there done that. We have already heard your "They don't say Magic hair" and we all agreed with you and pointed out THAT was not what we disagreed with them on. We never said they said "magic hair", thus you introduce a red herring having no bearing on the real issues at hand
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How would you characterize LS and RRH's teachings? If it's not "supernatural power in the hair", (as the HMH nomen indicates), what are their assertions that you disagree with? It seems to me that the basic disagreement lies in their interpretation of
1 Cor 11:10. I am seeing a few things develop here, and I see how people would disagree and be opposed to some things LS and RRH seem to be saying and advocating. But from my analysis at this point, I do not see where it rises to the level of "heresy" or "false doctrine" as some would assert. Their teaching in no way indicates they teach a "holy magic hair" doctrine... I would love to see a bulletted list of the tenets of their teaching that you disagree with. It's real easy, just say something like this: "LS and RRH are teaching 1.) ... and 2.) ... and 3.)...
You can even put your bulletted list vertically, like this:
LS and RRH are teaching this that I disagree with:
1.)...
2.)...
3.)...
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Originally Posted by Praxeas
Supernatural meaning "From God"...magic meaning as you put it, casting spells. You said authority in the spirit realm...THAT I would call supernatural.
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This is getting plainer. I am certain that LS goes into detail as to how he interprets
1 Cor 11:10. He refers to Gk., has conferred with Gk. scholars (supposedly) who have affirmed his interpretation. He quotes leading Gk. scholarship, reading extensively from Spiros Zodhiates and some other resources. Some leading theologians in our movement seem to disagree with his interpretation of
1 Cor 11... You also seem to disagree with it. IMO, the jury is still out. In the context of obedience and submission, I am convinced that individual believers have authority in the spirit realm (yes, supernatural authority over spirits) because of their obedience. The wording of
1 Cor 11:10 seem to support this idea. LS's emphasis on uncut hair and short hair on men as the emblem of submission to God's order of creation, especially in the context of preaching on
1 Cor 11, is consistent with his teaching and preaching on the subject.
Again, I see how someone can disagree with him over this, but it hardly rises to the level of heresy or false doctrine. I have friends who disagree over who the
Genesis 6 "Sons of God" are, but one side of this debate does not accuse the other of "false doctrine" and "heresy". I have heard attempts from one side to accuse the other side of teaching "serpent seed", which is totally misleading and a strawman. I have friends on both sides of the wine/grapejuice debate. I will admit that while winers really give the juicers a hard time for not "seeing it", they still have fellowship, and do not accuse the other of false doctrine and heresy, or drunkeness.
I see where there can be some differences in interpretation on
1 Cor 11. People who have confidence in LS teaching will use him and read RRH's books, people who don't can avoid him and discourage the propogation of RRH's books. I hardly think this is an issue that will subvert core doctrine (as do other spurious doctrines like divine flesh, or one-step conversion). If someone in a church has been exposed to the LS interpretation of
1 Cor 11:10, and their pastor disagrees with it, what a great opportunity for that pastor to instruct his people more thoroughly regarding his view of this passage. Whether you agree with LS or not, IMO, it hardly rises to the urgency to label him as a false teacher of heresy (as I have already seen here in this thread).
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Originally Posted by Praxeas
No I am not. I am accusing LS of teaching exactly what he said he was teaching. I never said he taught anything about magic. Supernatural is NOT akin to magic. Miracles by God are supernatural. Spell casting by witches is magic
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Very well... I appreciate your diligence in reiterating the point you are trying to make. I was under the impression that you and DA were lockstep regarding your objections to LS teaching. Thanks for the clarification...
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