Read Segraves on "letting down hair"

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Originally Posted by BobDylan

I did answer your question... The language of 1 Cor 11:10, which evidently you have a problem with, IS directly connected to any message preached from the text, and whether he uses that language in messages about gossip, or adultery, or other areas of obedience is irrelevant. We aren't speaking of those areas of obedience regarding this particular sermon of LS. We are speaking of the areas of obedience directly addressed in 1 Cor 11, and that is the distinct and proper grooming of hair for the relative genders. In that context, which is directly associated with authority and submission per the immediate context, the language of 1 Cor 11:10 is introduced. It is absolutely appropriate to cite, exegete, and preach the language of 1 Cor 11:10 in this context, whether or not he does so in another context. Your question is irrelevant, and is a blatant attempt to obsuscate while trying to accuse me of obfuscating...

You made this whole thing about what LS teaches and the authority about obedience. You obfuscate the fact or spin doctor it, that LS makes authority NOT about obedience but about uncut hair. Again this is made acutely obvious when he cites resources on witchcraft and the hair. He does NOT make it merely about obedience for if he did he would in his sermons on obedience to other issues like not committing adultery, mention that if you are obedient you will have authority.

Let me try to explain this in kindergarten terms...

Everyone here realizes that the only reason you resorted to sophomoric attempts at being pejorative above is you really have a losing case.

From the context of 1 Cor 11, uncut hair on women and short hair on men is the direct application of the principle of submission and authority.

prove it! This man, BobDylan, has made several assertions and has been asked to prove it and not once has he. Further the context here is not about hair but headship. BD doesn't catch the error he just made as well...if it's really about what you just said and this is the correlation with authority, Paul would have argued WE have authority because WE obey this law of short hair on men and uncut hair on women. He does not.

You cannot seperate the two issues. At the beginning of LS message, he lays a foundation of order of creation, authority, and submission to that order and authority.

Quote him please.

This is the basis and foundation of his preaching on "uncut hair".

The issue isn't that women should obey and not cut their hair. The context however in 1cor is headship and order of creation, the hair stuff follows THAT.

HE MAKES THE CONNECTION WHEN HE FIRST DEALS WITH THE SUBJECT. That inextricable connection carries through the message. From that point on, when LS speaks of uncut hair on women and short hair on men in his message, obedience and submission to authority is implied. Uncut hair and short hair on men cannot be seperated from the principle of authority and obedience any more water baptism for the remission of sins can be seperated from the blood of Christ.

Quote him please. You say "implied" but really that to everyone here means "This is how Im spinning it". It's your assertion but you can assert all day long. You might as well assert LS was teaching that green cows with wings fly out of his rear end on the last day of each month...PROOF is essential. All you are doing is telling us what LS "really meant"...good grief I can spin what anyone says...that does not make it true. Was LS really, in your opinion, THAT vague, that you can tell us what he IMPLIED contrary to what it seems to everyone else here? Not to mention the myriads of women OUT THERE that are posting how they have supernatural power in their hair, that it's not their obedience but their uncut hair?

LS does NOT say ANY TIME "Ladies, you have POWER because you have obeyed"

He makes an emphatic argument that Ladies have POWER due to uncut hair AND that it's really all about the hair. How do we know? Because as part of his "setting up" for his delivery he quotes sources on witchcraft who all say there is something special about the HAIR! Not that there is something special about obeying God.

BTW, how do you know exactly "why" LS quoted witchcraft? Did you ask him if this was why?

how do you know exactly why LS starts with a foundation of obedience and submission? Did you ask him why? Gee...you know you could be right, Maybe LS just threw that stuff in about a witches hair for absolutely NO REASON related to his message on hair.

Good grief

Or are you making assumptions? I already explaing "why" I think he appealed to witchcraft, and thas was to show that their feable magic that they try to perform and manipulate by appealing to God's order in nature is nothing because "we have the Word of God", and "we have more power than anything else in the world" (these are verbatim quotes approx 23 min into the Memphis message).

"why I think"? Eh...so you did not ask LS why? Hey. LS did not quote anything saying "witches have power" he quoted the resources where witches believe they have special powers IN THEIR HAIR, HAIR. Get it? HAIR.

Before we get back into what LS said and why he quotes sources on witches. Consider also this OTHER proponent on this doctrine of power in uncut hair

“I decided to go directly to the public library to look in the witchcraft section. As I approached the occult section you could just feel the demonic spirits. First I prayed against the wickedness I sensed and anointed the area with oil where the occult books were so that I could think clearly to start my search. To my surprise, I found many references concerning hair. I was amazed; and at times dumbfounded!”
I thought to myself, “If only Christians knew what the witches knew.”
-Juli Jasinski

How do you spin that? What do witches know that we should? Hmmm?

Here is what LS says
"Let's talk about the spiritual significance of hair"..why? What POSSIBLE reason could LS want to talk about that in this message on a woman's uncut hair? That was certainly unfortunate to interject something that has NOTHING to do with his message? Clearly this is a PART OF HIS MESSAGE

It pertains to what he wants to get across about HAIR.

The Spiritual significance of HAIR..what does he quote? He quotes extra biblical sources on the occult.

"Let's talk about the SPIRITUAL significance of hair. If only Christians knew what witches and new agers know"

Tell us Mr Spindoctor, what do witches and new agers know that we do not.

"They don't seem to get the message but they KNOW THINGS" huh? LS is saying they know things...what things do THEY know that Christians do not? Unfortunate? Yes it is but it was also a part of his message. He introduces it to set up what he wants US TO KNOW about hair.

"They (witches) know there is power on the head because of what we do with our hair"

He does not say "they know there is authority in obedience"

He does not say "They are mistaken"

He says THEY KNOW! THEY KNOW!

"What God meant for good (power on the head because of what we do with our hair) the devil wants to use for evil"

Nothing there about obedience

Consider the last thing LS says

"Think of the “classic image” of a witch … it is a woman with long, scraggly uncut hair. WHY? Because the evil side of the supernatural realm knows there is power associated with hair!"

LS says the evil side KNOWS there is power associated with hair..They KNOW that. LS does not say "they are mistaken in that, the power is associated with obedience".

BD it's obvious to anyone that can read WHY LS quoted all that junk.