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Originally Posted by ManOfWord
Sorry, my apologies, I got you confused with Light who responded earlier with the baptism thing.
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no prob it happens...
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It's still not lawless in the end. It is the law (word) which first reveals that I am a law breaker. It is God who opens my eyes to see that. He is the One First Cause who seeks and if He doesn't draw me to Him, I'll NEVER get there. So, HE is the author and finisher of my faith. Certainly I must respond to His "advances" toward me. However, I am living under a different law. I am living a law that desires to please Him.
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I agree "in part" with what you say but this last statment is so beyond insane it is sickening. God's love was manifested of old. You make God as if he is different now. He is not! You are borderline Marcion in your distinctions... God's law is still based on the same thing! His love has always been the same. Also nice way to misuse author and finisher like OSAS proponent. sheesh
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It is the law of love. Perfect love casts out fear.
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And this has changed? LOL! Seriously you believe in a God who is inconsistent.
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Therefore I have no fear of being lost but confidence toward Him.
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that's all nice but biblical it is both not NOT ONE! which is why your view is out of balance.
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Not an arrogant confidence but a humble faith filled confidence that "He who has begun a good work in me will perform it until the day of Jesus Christ."
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that's all nice but you negate the very fact and almost give a sense of irresistable grace. Not saying you believe that but you a hair short of that direction. The fact is most will turn away or live a life in the middle after have started so your point is poor. Many are called but few chosen.
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And regardless of what you've seen "way too many times" I still wake up every morning KNOWING absolutely that I am saved.
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That is good. Problem is you can't judge yourself only God can. For God is greater than your heart. You should place you faith in his judgment. He is just! It's not about perfection nor ever was in regards to us. The law made allowance for sin as does the new law it's called repentance. It hasn't changed.
Eze 18:26 When a righteous person turns away from his righteousness and does injustice, he shall die for it; for the injustice that he has done he shall die.
Eze 18:27 Again, when a wicked person turns away from the wickedness he has committed and does what is just and right, he shall save his life.
Eze 18:28 Because he considered and turned away from all the transgressions that he had committed, he shall surely live; he shall not die.
Eze 18:29 Yet the house of Israel says, 'The way of the Lord is not just.' O house of Israel, are my ways not just? Is it not your ways that are not just?
You still must persevere to the end and not be lukewarm or cold.
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Not eternal security in the Calvanistic sense but security in knowing that I know that I know. I know because I belong to Him. I know because I have surrendered to Him and continually desire for Him to have His way in my life. I don't fear the trumpet call and I don't fear the grim reaper. Like Job, "Though He slay me, yet will I trust Him."
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Well besides the fact you just jumbled two totally different things togethor thinking it supports the other and it doesn't... If you have given your heart and all you have that is all you can rest in. HE is faithful in his justice given. That you can have confidence in. You still will be judged faithful or not. I am glad you feel humble and confident as a true believer you should but it doesn't negate the fact that you don't in the end and you should still walk in fear and humbleness of heart so that you will not fall. Which I pray you will.
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Can I be lost? Absolutely! But it's not as easy as most people think. (MY NOTE: I thought it was secure per below )
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sorry but as easily as you entered into salvation is a easy as you lose it. Faith is a choice and so is the walk to turn and have the flesh your master.
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My salvation is not fragile. It is strong. It is secure.
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It is IF you do his commandments.
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It has been purchased by the blood of the Lamb who has the victory over death, hell and the grave.
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That is correct but that was his work to OFFER you salvation and has nothing to do with your repsonsibility to obtain eternal life. You keep point to one and saying it secures the other. Again you are borderline OSAS in how you do that though you may not believe that way. You are def influenced in that direction.
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I love Him so I desire to follow His will. However, even that desire, I believe is from Him. I am thankful for all the He has done for me. I am engraved upon the palms of His hands and am the apple of His eye. I am not chained to the cross, I am free to fall at the foot of the cross......every day!
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Awesome but you are taken out of the book just as easily as you are put in.
Exo 32:31 So Moses returned to the LORD and said, "Alas, this people has sinned a great sin. They have made for themselves gods of gold.
Exo 32:32 But now, if you will forgive their sin--but if not, please blot me out of your book that you have written."
Exo 32:33 But the LORD said to Moses, "Whoever has sinned against me, I will blot out of my book.
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Biblically, it appears, our deeds WILL have something to do with our REWARD level to whatever degree God desires. However, my salvation is settled. It does not rest upon MY works, it rests upon His work. "On Christ the solid Rock I stand.....ALL other ground is sinking sand!"
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Wow... amazing... you sound just like Dillow who is a OSAS Calvinist... Imagine that you run to the VERY arguments you tried to say... oh no to. Sorry been down this road and seen all the variations to grab different doctrines in different systems and ignore the implications it causes. Been doing this waaay to long not to see it a mile away. It's almost hilarious you can't see you are ignoring what is said. Your salvation is settled? WOW... you speak out both sides of your doctrine don't you. Oh and by the way yes it does rest in part upon you. You can talk about confidence all you want and twist the meaning like you did above but in the end. You are judged unto life or death because of your deeds and whether you fulfilled your end of the contract to do to obtain. NOTHING is settled until your works in this life cease and you pass to judgment and are judged faithful or not.