4And they were all filled with the Holy Ghost, and began to speak with other tongues, as the Spirit gave them utterance.
5And there were dwelling at Jerusalem Jews, devout men, out of every nation under heaven.
6Now when this was noised abroad, the multitude came together, and were confounded, because that every man heard them speak in his own language.
7And they were all amazed and marvelled, saying one to another, Behold, are not all these which speak Galilaeans?
8And how hear we every man in our own tongue, wherein we were born?
9Parthians, and Medes, and Elamites, and the dwellers in Mesopotamia, and in Judaea, and Cappadocia, in Pontus, and Asia,
10Phrygia, and Pamphylia, in Egypt, and in the parts of Libya about Cyrene, and strangers of Rome, Jews and proselytes,
11Cretes and Arabians, we do hear them speak in our tongues the wonderful works of God.
You guys will say speak in tongues as the spirit gives utterance but this clearly tells you when you speak in tongues (which by the way means language) (not Heavenly language)
that someone present will understand what you are saying..In your case MF that is correct if you started speaking German al of the sudden thats great than you could be telling your German friend about Jesus in a language he could understand...
4And they were all filled with the Holy Ghost, and began to speak with other tongues, as the Spirit gave them utterance.
5And there were dwelling at Jerusalem Jews, devout men, out of every nation under heaven.
6Now when this was noised abroad, the multitude came together, and were confounded, because that every man heard them speak in his own language.
7And they were all amazed and marvelled, saying one to another, Behold, are not all these which speak Galilaeans?
8And how hear we every man in our own tongue, wherein we were born?
9Parthians, and Medes, and Elamites, and the dwellers in Mesopotamia, and in Judaea, and Cappadocia, in Pontus, and Asia,
10Phrygia, and Pamphylia, in Egypt, and in the parts of Libya about Cyrene, and strangers of Rome, Jews and proselytes,
11Cretes and Arabians, we do hear them speak in our tongues the wonderful works of God.
You guys will say speak in tongues as the spirit gives utterance but this clearly tells you when you speak in tongues (which by the way means language) (not Heavenly language)
that someone present will understand what you are saying..In your case MF that is correct if you started speaking German al of the sudden thats great than you could be telling your German friend about Jesus in a language he could understand...
The fact is that just because some people understood the tongues does not mean that will occur everytime someone speaks in tongues. There is no statement to teach this as doctrine.
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"Many Christians do not try to understand what was written in a verse in the Bible. Instead they approach the passage to prove what they already believe."
THAT'S EXACTLY THE ENTIRE POINT OF GRACE! It's the position of your heart, not the steps of legalism!!
There is a natural outflow of certain actions from a right heart.
You seem to be stressing one thing, while the Legalist stresses the other. It's BOTH.
James 2:14 Yea, a man may say, Thou hast faith, and I have works: shew me thy faith without thy works, and I will shew thee my faith by my works.
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His banner over me is LOVE.... My soul followeth hard after thee....Love one another with a pure heart fervently. Jesus saith unto her, Said I not unto thee, that, if thou wouldest believe, thou shouldest see the glory of God?
To be a servant of God, it will cost us our total commitment to God, and God alone. His burden must be our burden... Sis Alvear
There is a natural outflow of certain actions from a right heart.
You seem to be stressing one thing, while the Legalist stresses the other. It's BOTH.
James 2:14 Yea, a man may say, Thou hast faith, and I have works: shew me thy faith without thy works, and I will shew thee my faith by my works.
YOU HIT THE NAIL ON THE HEAD! Amen!
Legalism is not depending upon the cross for the "steps" to make us righteous, whereas grace depends on the work of the cross to make us righteous when it proposes one must obey the "steps" for salvation. Everyone seems to be talking past each other and missing this.
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"Many Christians do not try to understand what was written in a verse in the Bible. Instead they approach the passage to prove what they already believe."
Well I will use what scripture I have to go by and the "Heavenly language" thing I hear well I definitlly have not seen any scripture on that..thats just my 2cents...
Bolded question......Yes, I'm sure as heck saying that, at the time of the writing of Colossians, God did not detest the eating of those things. Didn't then, didn't now.
Are you seriously saying that we're obligated to practice the diet of the Old Testament? Are you seriously saying we're not supposed to eat pork?? Surely not. Are you a tongue-talking, three-step, Seventh Day Adventist? I can list quite a few things in the Law you don't obey.
And you ran off and left me with that thing about genetic code. What verse is that in?
hmmm so God changes his mind on what is good for us to eat? Wow, what a God that thinks they are detestable things to eat because HOW HE MADE THEM and then turns right around and says they are ok to eat. Considering that they where considered clean and unclean before "the law". You have a God that is contradictive and can't make up his mind. Nice.
concering genentic code. God has order within order. Which is natural law. The reason God used genetic footprint in the establishing "clean and unclean" animals was because HOW HE DESIGNED BY ORDER and the what was considered clean and unclean was based on genetic patterns. THUS GOD HAD A REASON. Not just throwing stuff against the wall and seeing if it sticks!
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hmmm so God changes him mind on what is good for us to eat? Wow, what a God that thinks they are detestable things to eat because HOW HE MADE THEM and then turns right around and says they are ok to eat. Considering that they where considered clean and unclean before "the law". You have a God that is contradictive and can't make up his mind. Nice.
concering genentic code. God has order within order. Which is natural law. The reason God used genetic footprint in the establishing "clean and unclean" animals was because HOW HE DESIGNED BY ORDER and the what was considered clean and unclean was based on genetic patterns. THUS GOD HAD A REASON. Not just throwing stuff against the wall and seeing it it sticks!
Has God changed His mind about anything?
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There is a natural outflow of certain actions from a right heart.
You seem to be stressing one thing, while the Legalist stresses the other. It's BOTH.
James 2:14 Yea, a man may say, Thou hast faith, and I have works: shew me thy faith without thy works, and I will shew thee my faith by my works.
I never said it was not from the heart the WHOLE POINT HAS BEEN LOVE FROM THE HEART! John 15 thus TO DO! The OT is clear and is consistent within the NT. We are going to be judged faithful to the contract or not to obtain salvation and that judgment will be upon did we love him to do what he commanded which declares us "right" at heart just like ABraham.
not concerning natural law and how God relates. God changes his judgments in "reaction" to our response but it is still based on lawful/righteousness of God that does not change. God considered it unclean for a reason. Is it a salvation issue directly? No! Food initself doesn't defile the Spirit. Our heart does. Food defiles our physical health. God laws where about the "whole" of life not just the spiritual.
not concerning natural law and how God relates. God changes his judgments in "reaction" to our response but it is still based on lawful/righteousness of God that does not change. God considered it unclean for a reason. Is it a salvation issue directly? No! Food initself doesn't defile the Spirit. Our heart does. Food defiles our physical health. God laws where about the "whole" of life not just the spiritual.
Was disobeying "natural law" ever punishable as sin?
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My soul followeth hard after thee....Love one another with a pure heart fervently. 
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