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Originally Posted by mfblume
And such reasoning from scripture is simply avoided. Anyone with any sense of understanding covenantal works realizes that every covenant has a part for each party to accomplish, otherwise the covenant is not in effect. To say all one needs is faith and repentance are TWO STEPS whether the "one step" folks agree or not. And baptism and Spirit infilling with tongues are no more works for salvation than those two are.
God's part is to save and our part is to obey. If we claim God saves, then it is ridiculously moot for anyone to claim we believe in salvation by works.
The only way we could ever espouse salvation by works is to DENY that the cross is required in any form for us to be saved by baptism and Spirit infilling. Ironically, though. KWSS and others claim there is no real difference between the times before and after the cross. This implies that the cross is not necessary to save! And yet you and I are accused of salvation by works without the cross! Go figure.
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This is where you're just wrong, Blume. You see, we CAN'T keep up our end of the bargain. That was obvious since Abraham on... that's the beauty of the Gospel. The covenantal part of that is God original covenant continued, he'd save those who believe in him by faith. He's made that possible through Jesus. To employ new ways of entering into covenant is simply in error. Repentance is what one does BECAUSE OF faith, not to prove their faith. Faith has already happened. We stand justified at that moment.
The cross makes all the difference in the world. What has not changed is God's everlasting and eternal covenant with His people, which was redeveloped in the New Testament to finally include Gentiles, part of God's plan all along (not just a Plan B repudiation against the Jews).
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