JCM Reunion / AMC Conference Check In Thread

[Elizabeth]

Ron it's the appropriateness of the situation you bringing attention to.

I guess I look at this way, if someone was to share their family reunion pictures with the forum, and someone started pointing out the flaws of those that attended to many that would inappropriate and not really what the thread is suppose to be about.

It's just funny how we have a hard time separating our own personal convictions or views from something that really has nothing to do with it.

[dizzyde]

Originally Posted by Ron

Same one you read. If someone is in an open sinful lifestyle that is an abomination to God & knows better, does the word state that one should not
Go with that "brother?"

Seems to say just that to me.

Go where? To a public meeting, that was attended by many people of different spiritual persuasions? Would that include family reunions? Weddings? Birthday parties? Where do you draw your line?

Yeah maybe you don't hang out in all of your spare time and have sleep overs, but if you have no communication with someone that you believe is living wrong, how on earth would you ever suppose that you are going to get an opportunity to show the love of Christ to that person?

For me, I believe the spirit and nature of Christ teaches us explicitly that in all things, we should model love and mercy. The only times that I see Christ being truly angered or impatient in the Bible is when he was dealing with the supposed "righteous."

[B4 Nicaea]

Originally Posted by Elizabeth

Really? Well at least you're kind in your how you are presenting your feelings.

Not really sure what you are implying. Go back and re-read. I stated "some." That does not encompass all.

Were you there? If so, did you feel slighted by anyone at AMC? I haven't heard from anyone that attended they felt slighted. As a matter of fact, we had some come over and sit in our services and expressed to me personally after service on Friday how much they enjoyed the services and in particular, the altar services.

[Elizabeth]

Originally Posted by B4 Nicaea

Not really sure what you are implying. Go back and re-read. I stated "some." That does not encompass all.

Were you there? If so, did you feel slighted by anyone at AMC? I haven't heard from anyone that attended they felt slighted. As a matter of fact, we had some come over and sit in our services and expressed to me personally after service on Friday how much they enjoyed the services and in particular, the altar services.

No, I wasn't there. So no, not slighted.

I am sure you are a gentleman (or lady) as well as the others.

[StillStanding]

Originally Posted by B4 Nicaea

Not really sure what you are implying. Go back and re-read. I stated "some." That does not encompass all.

Were you there? If so, did you feel slighted by anyone at AMC? I haven't heard from anyone that attended they felt slighted. As a matter of fact, we had some come over and sit in our services and expressed to me personally after service on Friday how much they enjoyed the services and in particular, the altar services.

I was there and I didn't feel slighted by anyone attending the AMC. If some people were slighted, it would have been because they didn't understand the dynamics of the JCM reunion. It was not a conference. It was a family reunion with singing!

[B4 Nicaea]

Originally Posted by Elizabeth

No, I wasn't there. So no, not slighted.

I am sure you are a gentleman (or lady) as well as the others.

Thanks. I try to be the best gentleman I can. My wife is definitely a first class lady. We're trying to raise 3 more gentlemen. (10, 7, and 2 months).

[B4 Nicaea]

Originally Posted by Mr. Steinway

I was there and I didn't feel slighted by anyone attending the AMC. If some people were slighted, it would have been because they didn't understand the dynamics of the JCM reunion. It was not a conference. It was a family reunion with singing!

Would have loved to have met you. Would have also loved to hear some of the singing, although our's was pretty good. Had a JCM grad as our organist.

[Sherri]

Originally Posted by revrandy

No....I really think this is backwards... I think what is on the inside will always manifest itself on the outside...

No doubt...

I think the folks that lean towards the look of the world make it much more about the outside than conservative's do any day...

Oh wow, this is so wrong. I don't even think about what people wear, as long as they're modest. I don't think about how they wear their hair, or whether they have on jewelry. That doesn't even cross my mind. It's only the Conservatives who even notice that stuff. I just want Jesus to show through my life and my actions. I don't have to prove anything to the world by what I look like.

[Sherri]

Originally Posted by B4 Nicaea

Sorry I'm just getting to this. I was on my PDA earlier today.

Believe it or not folks (not directed at you, Renda), we don't sit around judging people. I understand the stereotyping. Generally, there's some truth someone/some group is stereotyped. Hence the stereotyping. Cons get a rep for being harsh and judgemental because some of done just that. Conversely, some of the libs have been really flippant and flaunting regarding their "liberated" lifestyle.

That being said, we don't have to judge. The word explicitly states:

Luk 6:44 For every tree is known by his own fruit.

However, whether or not I agree with someone, even if they have left the faith, doesn't mean I have the right to look down on them. I've got to keep my attitude right. Most of the AMC crowd wasn't castigating the JCM crowd. As a matter of fact, I didn't hear anyone making disparaging remarks. To the contrary, most, if not all, of us are truly saddened by the condition of some of those that were in attendance at the reunion.

Bottom line, I'm going to be friendly to everyone I can. As Renda stated, I did not feel judged. As far my part, I tried to be friendly with all.

I will say don't misconstrue this into thinking I don't believe in separation and a holiness lifestyle. I do and will continue to preach this message. I believe it with every fiber of my being.

And for this, I apologize. It's a wrong attitude. In fact, someone asked me if I was going to go into the AMC meeting this week at all. I told them no, because I didn't want anyone to think I was flaunting the way I looked. I remember seeing some people years ago at General Conference who had left UPC, and even though they were probably there just to enjoy it and the fellowship, I wrongly thought they were there to "flaunt" the way they looked. Now I'm on the other side!

[CC1]

Originally Posted by CC1

I can't believe you guys let Rev Randy sucker you into some of the exchanges on this thread! However there were some very good responses to his rant.....er observations.

I found it interesting that it seemed very important to him that you could not tell if a lot of the people at the JCM reunion were Nazarene or Baptist. Apparently an outward dress code
is very important to him to be able to indentify someone as a Christian or not. Something you do not find Jesus doing at any time in his earthly ministry.

I challenge anyone to find Jesus preaching or teaching about a dress code being what identifies a Christian. Now he did talk about the fruit of the Spirit. Something not preached or taught about near as much as no makeup or jewelry.

The women were modest and ladylike. One interesting observation I made had to do with one of the women wearing a dress while singing on the platform. She had rather shapely legs and the thought crossed my mind that the "ungodly" slacks some of the women were wearing had caused me to not give a second glance to their legs where this woman who would have met the REV RANDY DRESS CODE did.

I think Rev Randy falls into that group of Pentecostals who has never been able to seperate friendship from approval. There is no doubt in my mind that TLC does not approve of my wifes dress code (I am fine of course) nor the church we attend. However he is smart enough to know that we don't equate his friendship with his approval. This is the area where the UPC and like can be cultic. Thank heavens not all though.

I am bumping my post from yesterday because it still applies to everything the good Rev Randy has continued to say before deciding to leave because apparently it is being mean to him if you don't just sit by and let him condemn you to hell (not directly but by inference). Luckily these folks reveal their true selves when it is clear their criteria for one being a christian is their dress code. That they not look like a Nazerene or Baptist. Hey Rev Randy, how about just worrying about looking like and being a Christian???? Novel idea huh? You wanted to stir the pot and you did but it sure doesn't say much about you.