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Originally Posted by mfblume
No, your question is only evidence that you are not getting what I am saying. My example of the dying on the road to baptism is the entire explanation that answers it all. The reason the guy on his way to get baptized is saved is because the baptism in and of itself saves no one. I have always maintained that. Baptism only saves because it relies upon the resurrection of Christ showing the work of the cross actually saves. Since the FAITH THAT WORKS causes the man to intend to WORK the act of baptism, even though not baptized, the man is saved.
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How can you say that without "changing the text?"
Easy. You simply say that.
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Originally Posted by mfblume
It's like saying Abraham was deemed righteous before he was circumcised, because GOD KNEW his faith would move him to be circumcised in obedience. God knows if your faith is one that works or not. If it is dead faith with no works to ever follow, God sees that nature of the dead faith, so He does not deem such a one righteous.
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Now you quote me on
Genesis 15:6 - just to argue with me?
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Originally Posted by mfblume
But we have to also understand the example of Noah. Baptism is the antitype of deliverance by water in Noah's day. God commanded the ark's contstruction as well as man's baptism. Not man. Just as the ark was mocked at in his day, baptism seems to be mocked at today. Noah and his family entered the ark like a sort of BURIAL with Christ. As the ark had waters above and waters below strike at it, baptism is by immersion.
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You have to change a lot of texts to get, "Just as the ark was mocked at in his day, baptism seems to be mocked at today."
The Bible offers us no information that Noah was "mocked" nor is there any evidence that anyone has "mocked" baptism here. You're just making things up.
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