How many times did you ask God for the Holy Ghost?

[jfrog]

Originally Posted by mfblume

Strawman. I never said receiving the Holy Ghost is a command. I said that obedience to the Gospel causes God to give us the Holy Ghost. We REPENT, GET BAPTIZED and GOD GIVES the Spirit.



Yes!

Luk 11:13 KJV If ye then, being evil, know how to give good gifts unto your children: how much more shall your heavenly Father give the Holy Spirit to them that ask him?

Or it means the person is stubborn and refuses to repent over sin they are not willing to repent over, and thinks God does not see that. That is what happened to me.



I agree. It is not something we must do. How can we give ourselves the Holy Ghost?



Agreed. But it could be, but not in every case.



I disagree with that overview, since the Holy Ghost was already poured out into the world. We just need to obey in order to get it. God is always ready to give it if we simply ask and obey.



In some cases, I agree, but not all.

Yes, there are some people who really do have sin in their lives and don't get the Holy Ghost because of that. I'm all for self examination at anytime! However, just because one doesn't receive the Holy Ghost doesn't mean that they must find something wrong when they self examine themselves. Self examination should be objective. Pentecostalism doesn't teach it as such. Pentecostalism says that if you don't receive the Holy Ghost then there is something wrong with you. Instead it should be: examine yourself to see if there MIGHT BE something holding you back from the Holy Ghost.

The statement of yours I bolded is the most important. For those special cases of people that don't do anything wrong but die without the Holy Ghost, (you already conceded that they exist by saying you agree in some cases), then how will God fulfill his promise of giving the Holy Spirit to them?

EDIT: One other question for you blume: You provided a scripture that mentioned asking for the Holy Ghost and I even said I have no problem with someone asking a few times, but where is the scripture for someone begging God for the Holy Ghost?