NOW, When Is Someone Saved?

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Originally Posted by sandie

Then it seems to me that those who have come to that conclusion are mistaken. Why on earth would you then have to say those who don't believe shouldn't be baptized or wouldn't be baptized.



It seems those who don't "obey" are in for some trouble:

Romans 10:16
But they have not all obeyed the gospel. For Esaias saith, Lord, who hath believed our report?

2 Thessalonians 1:8
In flaming fire taking vengeance on them that know not God, and that obey not the gospel of our Lord Jesus Christ:

1 Peter 4:17
For the time is come that judgment must begin at the house of God: and if it first begin at us, what shall the end be of them that obey not the gospel of God?




How many more times do I need to read certain chapters of the Bible before I can understand? I've been reading the bible since 1970 and though I'm no bible scholar by any stretch I do have a certain amount of reading comprehension and God given ability to understand.
I saw grace the first day someone told me a Jew could come to Jesus just as I was.

Nothing I've read here or anywhere else can convince me that we don't need to repent, be baptized in His Name FOR the remission of sins and go on to recieve the gift of the Holy Ghost and that it ALL starts and ends with faith.

I've lived it, I live it still thanks be to God my Saviour!
God bless.

Sandie, Jeffrey hasn't responded yet, but I will take a stab here.

I don't believe Jeffrey is saying baptism is denied at all, or that someone who believes would not be baptized. In fact, he's saying just the opposite. Baptism was a simultaneous event with publicly professing belief! So when we see "believing and baptized" it's one big, beautiful picture. This is not to say that one does not believe until they are baptized, but rather the association of events is what made the compound phrase one word -- the primary subject must be recognized as "believing," and that is reiterated in the "he that doesn't believe" will be lost.

Who has advocated that people should not repent or be baptized? I believe the context of the one-stepper remarks has been God's work in salvation, and understanding Grace.

Sandie, what does "repentance" mean? What relationship does repentance have with believing? Is repentance a commitment to quit sinning? What is the most broad meaning of repentance? Is sin the focus or is Jesus?

"It all starts and ends with faith." Amen.