Timmy, to clarify my statement earlier... (sorry, it's been a busy weekend, and I just have a few minutes to respond).... about prayer in the schools...
Prayer can go up anywhere, in an instant, in a heartbeat, in any situation you can imagine, because we don't have to bend a knee or be in a certain position to pray to our God.
So, yes, of course there is prayer in our schools. If anyone anywhere wants to pray, they can.
My point was, that prayer was OUTLAWED in the schools I think in the 80s... correct me if I'm wrong....
When I was in grade school, the Lord's prayer was said over the announcements every day. We understood the basic ten commandments, of which our very society is founded upon. They were taught to us in grade school.
So, tell me this... when did we start to see school shootings?
Was it before we took God and prayer out of the schools... or after?
Of course, the answer is that we began to see these horrible events begin to take place AFTER prayer, and the ten commandments, and any mention of God in our curriculum had been effectively removed from our schools.
I don't think that this is a coincidence... just my opinion of course....
Timmy, to clarify my statement earlier... (sorry, it's been a busy weekend, and I just have a few minutes to respond).... about prayer in the schools...
Prayer can go up anywhere, in an instant, in a heartbeat, in any situation you can imagine, because we don't have to bend a knee or be in a certain position to pray to our God.
So, yes, of course there is prayer in our schools. If anyone anywhere wants to pray, they can.
My point was, that prayer was OUTLAWED in the schools I think in the 80s... correct me if I'm wrong....
When I was in grade school, the Lord's prayer was said over the announcements every day. We understood the basic ten commandments, of which our very society is founded upon. They were taught to us in grade school.
So, tell me this... when did we start to see school shootings?
Was it before we took God and prayer out of the schools... or after?
Of course, the answer is that we began to see these horrible events begin to take place AFTER prayer, and the ten commandments, and any mention of God in our curriculum had been effectively removed from our schools.
I don't think that this is a coincidence... just my opinion of course....
Thanks. But you used that terminology again: "we took God and prayer out of the schools". No, we didn't.
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Thanks. But you used that terminology again: "we took God and prayer out of the schools". No, we didn't.
So, then if "we" didn't take prayer out of the schools, who, or what did?
Because the Lord's prayer is not said anymore during announcements.
Teachers are not allowed to publicly pray with their children, or even teach the basic ten commandments to the children.
Timmy, do you think there could be a "coincidence" here, or more than a coincidence that these terrible mass school shootings started AFTER God and prayer were legislated out of the schools?
So, then if "we" didn't take prayer out of the schools, who, or what did?
Nobody.
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Because the Lord's prayer is not said anymore during announcements
Staff-led prayer has ended.
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Teachers are not allowed to publicly pray with their children, or even teach the basic ten commandments to the children.
Yes, I believe you are correct. Nor can they teach any other religious tenets. Would you change that? Would your religion be the only one allowed to be taught? Would prayer to your God be the one teachers are allowed to pray?
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Timmy, do you think there could be a "coincidence" here, or more than a coincidence that these terrible mass school shootings started AFTER God and prayer were legislated out of the schools?
There may or may not be a cause/effect here, but my guess is no. Teacher-led prayer would not have prevented this tragedy any more than prayer in churches would have prevented the church shootings.
Some people are evil. Pure and simple. God never stops them. Never has and never will.
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I agree that evil reigns in our world. There are and have been evil people in the world, ever since Adam, Eve and Cain and Abel.
The reason God doesn't stop evil is the same reason He didn't stop Eve from eating of the tree of good and evil. He could have stopped her, you know.
But He didn't. He made the choice then to allow us to have our own free will.. and from the moment Eve made her decision.... humanity has been making choices since.
Those choices result in evil....
However, God showed us another way in the life of Christ. A way that works. Yet it is a way that most don't want to have anything to do with. It is called surrendering our will to HIS will. When we surrender our will to His, something remarkable can happen in our lives, when the supernatural takes residence in a human heart.
A surrendered will to Christ accomplishes much more good.... than a human will surrendered to no one but himself.
So, God has given us a choice. We can choose eternal life through Christ by surrendering our will to His, or we can continue on doing things our way, and live with the consequences of sin and death.
Evil is not God's choice. It is your choice, and mine to make.
Would you rather God had stopped Eve from eating of the tree of good and evil? Made us all basically like the angels with no ability to choose? No ability to rationalize or decide?
Or, would you rather that God left it an open thing... choice? Our choice to choose between good and evil.... ?
I agree that evil reigns in our world. There are and have been evil people in the world, ever since Adam, Eve and Cain and Abel.
The reason God doesn't stop evil is the same reason He didn't stop Eve from eating of the tree of good and evil. He could have stopped her, you know.
But He didn't. He made the choice then to allow us to have our own free will.. and from the moment Eve made her decision.... humanity has been making choices since.
Those choices result in evil....
However, God showed us another way in the life of Christ. A way that works. Yet it is a way that most don't want to have anything to do with. It is called surrendering our will to HIS will. When we surrender our will to His, something remarkable can happen in our lives, when the supernatural takes residence in a human heart.
A surrendered will to Christ accomplishes much more good.... than a human will surrendered to no one but himself.
So, God has given us a choice. We can choose eternal life through Christ by surrendering our will to His, or we can continue on doing things our way, and live with the consequences of sin and death.
Evil is not God's choice. It is your choice, and mine to make.
Would you rather God had stopped Eve from eating of the tree of good and evil? Made us all basically like the angels with no ability to choose? No ability to rationalize or decide?
Or, would you rather that God left it an open thing... choice? Our choice to choose between good and evil.... ?
Everyone would be better off if there was no evil. It is NOT true that good cannot exist without evil, as some try to say. If you are one of them, then explain what heaven will be like. Will there be good there? Will there be evil? Will there be "free choice"?
Nothing you said above addresses the question of "prayer in school", and how that related to the shooting last week. At least, it doesn't connect them in any cause/effect way.
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