Imho, it's messing with gender identity and it seems to me like a big deal. If I was a guy called Neil and someone decided to change my name to Nancy in my biography so as not to offend those who don't think much of guys...I think it would be a big deal.
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no one is changing the message of the gospel only the names we call God. do you really think that God is a male? Isn't the word creator more apt at describing God than Father? did christ have to be a male? do women need a male savior? can't son be called redeemer and be less offensive to gender sensitive women while preserving an apt description of the son's role? i think this language makes sense.
If you change the word Father to something else then you ARE changing the very words penned by the Apostles and other authors inspired by God.
If Creator is more apt than Father then why did they use the Greek word for Father?
Christ was male. Get over it.
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Imho, it's messing with gender identity and it seems to me like a big deal. If I was a guy called Neil and someone decided to change my name to Nancy in my biography so as not to offend those who don't think much of guys...I think it would be a big deal.
thanks for your comments jen but using creator is not changing gender, it is gender neutral and it is a biblical title of god, not a new title.
If you change the word Father to something else then you ARE changing the very words penned by the Apostles and other authors inspired by God.
If Creator is more apt than Father then why did they use the Greek word for Father?
Christ was male. Get over it.
paul was a male chauvinist. the historical context of the scripture is male dominated patriarchy and not relevant to modern ideas of equality. all women should be wearing veils if what you say is true. come to grips with reality.
If they do not like the titles that God gave Himself they should ask Him to change them Himself because we as mankind have no business trying to correct God!
If God did rewrite the Bible, how would you know?
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paul was a male chauvinist. the historical context of the scripture is male dominated patriarchy and not relevant to modern ideas of equality. all women should be wearing veils if what you say is true. come to grips with reality.
DM, are you seriously saying you believe this?
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paul was a male chauvinist. the historical context of the scripture is male dominated patriarchy and not relevant to modern ideas of equality. all women should be wearing veils if what you say is true. come to grips with reality.
Paul was not a male chauvinist. He was a Hebrew, a Jew, who lived in the first century.
It was cultural that women wore veils long before Paul was born.
He was no more a male chauvinist for using "Father" instead of "Creator" than Jesus was or Peter
God Himself identified Himself as Father!
2Sa 7:14 I will be to him a father, and he shall be to me a son. When he commits iniquity, I will discipline him with the rod of men, with the stripes of the sons of men,
All Jews considered God their "Father". ALL Jews did. Male or Female. They did not have personal issues over it like you do or today's psychologically weak generation.
You aren't helping anyone by bowing to a small shrill minority that hate God
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Apostolic is defined on AFF as:
There is One God. This one God reveals Himself distinctly as Father, Son and Holy Ghost.
The Son is God himself in a human form or "God manifested in the flesh" (1Tim 3:16)
Every sinner must repent of their sins.
That Jesus name baptism is the only biblical mode of water baptism.
That the Holy Ghost is for today and is received by faith with the initial evidence of speaking in tongues.
The saint will go on to strive to live a holy life, pleasing to God.
i'm trying to convince myself of this. i have 2 books on women in the bible i haven't read yet. if it is not true then you have to explain paul's words. "i suffer not a woman to teach or have authority over a man, let them learn in silence and ask their husbands at home". what does that mean?
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