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Old 09-11-2009, 10:53 AM
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Common sense says that there are multiple and different versions of the same story. They are written right there. If each version is completely different, then common sense says (3) of the (4) are incorrect. You say (I) contrived the error? I put the words as they are written directly onto the page. The error was contrived long before I picked it up. The truth is that YOU say you are to put all the accounts together, which I did, and they are different. Because of error.
There is no error. You are not even able to honestly read what I am writing, let alone honestly read what the bible is actually conveying. I said none of the the accounts were errors. It's like having three witnesses to one event. One witness saw some details, while the other saw other details. Put the two accounts together to get the full picture, but don't look at one witness and call him a liar when he honestly reported what he saw and missed the details the other witness saw.

Your dishonesty is showing.

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THE GOOD NEWS? It is not even a translation. It is a paraphrasing. Come on, know your stuff a bit better.

Leaving it out or not, your "holy" book tells you to beat your wives. Why do you distract attention away from the beating of wives?
Leaving it out or not your "holy" book tells you to beat your children. With a rod. At least that's what it says. If it does not say that then you are free to call me a deceiver. As to the paraphrase that is word for word exactly what the verse says. Are you telling me now your "holy book" is merely a collection of paraphrases that can be interpreted based on today's wind direction?
More dishonest twisting of my words. I said the GOOD NEWS BIBLE is a paraphrase and and not a scholarly translation. So, my HOLY book is not a paraphrase, but people made a paraphrase out of it and called it the GOOD NEWS bible. The version even admits it is a paraphrase of the Bible.

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She is not a rape victim. You miss the whole point of the law. A rape victim cries out. A woman who claims rape and yet did not cry out has lied. You are looking for faults in the bible. You are not honestly reading it to learn what it actually says.
I did not necessarily call this a fault in the bible. I only noted that the bible is no better and even stricter than the Quran regarding these activities which gives you little room to talk.
More distraction from the point. You claimed a rape victim was killed, implying the bible is cruel. Meanwhile a man's WIFE (!!!) is to be beaten, lightly or not?

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You have added "a woman who claims rape and yet did not cry out has lied". If the law meant to say that I would suspect that it would have specified it.
More dishonesty. Read the entire context. It is plain to anyone who honestly wants to understand the point. A woman who cried was genuinely raped. A woman who did not was accessory. A child could understand that.

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Instead, once again, you are here to add what you believe it to "imply" or "mean" (though your version is more palatable I guess)

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It teaches you to beat your wives. And you cannot justify it.
I do not have to justify it. I did not write it. beat them (lightly) is a far, far cry from "beat your children with a rod and they shall not die"
It certainly is a far cry. Spanking children is sensible, whereas beating an adult women whom you married is insane.

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And under the New Covenant there is no slaying of anybody since Christ has come and His blood can solve such errors that were not solved under law. Christians do not keep Law of Moses, anyway. But Islamics beat their wives. Find something like that in the New Testament.
(laughing) only an idiot or coward beats up on his wife. Are you kidding me? Divorce is much easier in islam than it is in any other society and the Quran specifically states that mistreatment by a husband is grounds for immediate and uncontested divorce.
Yet Koran teaches men to beat their wives??? What a religion of contradiction. Mistreatment by a husband is beating his wife whether lightly or not. And then the Koran has the audacity to speak against mistreatment by husbands of their wives.

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Right. Christians who choose not to believe the ways of Islam, you mean.
That's not what it says but again you appear to be choosing to "add" some commentary to make it "less" palatable. LOL
More twisting. You believe the Koran is truth. You believe truth set before Christians that is rejected makes them untrue Christians. Yes or no?

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Re-interpreting the bible? lol. And you claimed the woman who cried not was a rape victim? You do not honestly read the Bible enough to even be able to learn its truth, and you tell me I am re-interpreting the Bible? The Koran CHANGES partway through its own text!

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And you will find that the closest people in friendship to the believers are those who say, "We are Christian."

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"O ye who believe! take not the Jews and the Christians for your friends and protectors: They are but friends and protectors to each other. And he amongst you that turns to them (for friendship) is of them. Verily Allah guideth not a people unjust." Qur’an 5:51
[b]As stated, this appears to be a distinctly accurate statement and nailed christians cold. Christian loyalties appear to shift to the needs only of their pocketbooks and they would do business with Satan himself
All Christians? Muhammed made a blanket statement about all Christians. Is that what you believe? You believe true Christians confess that Jesus is God Almighty?

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Mohammed changed his mind after the book was not even finished!

The fact is that the New Testament does not tell us to hate anyone or treat anyone badly as your Koran teaches you, even if people do not accept the Gospel. It tells us to love our enemies. Your "holy" book tells you to dislike them. Can't wiggle out of this one. Your book teaches hatred.
I do not deny the words of my book nor do I as you say "wiggle out of them". After all I put the good and the bad, unchanged, in front of you.
Could not answer my question, could you?

Love ya, though. Unlike the Koran teaches.
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