SEU (Southern Eastern University) updates

[Standards]

According to Doctor P. Bradley Carey, accreditation is DECEPTION:

http://www.icwseminary.org/deception.htm

Hmmm...I wonder why he would say that.

[Baron1710]

Hmmm...I wonder why he would say that.

Fortunately P. Bradley Carey has no affiliation with the Oneness movement, however his good friend, and fellow degree mill cohort Kulwant S. Boora, the self styled British Oneness Scholar does.

[Ferd]

So, this does add some light to the question of why he would pretend to be calling from the UK to make his ... uh, "threats," only moments after answering a telephone in the United States.

He knows he has the ability to "act as a lawyer" in the UK but not here. My question still stands, Bro. Stoneking: Was Kal acting as your legal representative when he called members of this board?

By all accounts Kal Boora is a Legal Executive with ILEX

This email excerpt that I received from ILEX explains why he is not listed on the online directory as well:

Dear Mr Alicea

I can confirm that Kulwant Singh Boora is a Fellow of the Institute of Legal Executives and further that this means he is a Legal Executive Lawyer in the UK.

The directory on the website unfortunately does not include all Fellows, as in the past they have had the option to “opt out” of appearing on it: this option is in the process of being removed.

Regards

LN (name edited)


ILEX Professional Standards Ltd (IPS)
Kempston Manor
Kempston
Bedford MK42 7AB
Tel: 01234 845773
Fax: 01234 840989

I wonder what attitude ILEX would take if they found out one of theirs had proffered himself as member of an American bar to which he is not actually a member?

[pelathais]

I wonder what attitude ILEX would take if they found out one of theirs had proffered himself as member of an American bar to which he is not actually a member?

From the evidence at hand that I have seen, and when that evidence is compared to some of the cases in the ILEX discipline directory, I would guess anything from a 2 year suspension for misrepresenting a client to a "Perm Ban" for deliberately misrepresenting himself as a member of the District of Columbia Bar Association.

If I've missed anything, I'm certain Brother Boora would be able to do the noble and generous thing and fill in the blank spaces.

[Ferd]

From the evidence at hand that I have seen, and when that evidence is compared to some of the cases in the ILEX discipline directory, I would guess anything from a 2 year suspension for misrepresenting a client to a "Perm Ban" for deliberately misrepresenting himself as a member of the District of Columbia Bar Association.

If I've missed anything, I'm certain Brother Boora would be able to do the noble and generous thing and fill in the blank spaces.

The good brother needs to make amends. Certainly there are very serious people in this world who are being represented by him and they deserve to know that their association has been abused.

[Baron1710]

The good brother needs to make amends. Certainly there are very serious people in this world who are being represented by him and they deserve to know that their association has been abused.

Art Wilson has come on and taken the heat, Lee Stoneking is either out of the country or on his way out, our dear British friend however has been playing possum, and I have doubts he is willing to take the heat from Daniel Drudge's kitchen.

[ManOfWord]

Art Wilson has come on and taken the heat, Lee Stoneking is either out of the country or on his way out, our dear British friend however has been playing possum, and I have doubts he is willing to take the heat from Daniel Drudge's kitchen.

I would imagine that he's not feeling so "perky" right about now! I can almost hear a "hissing" sound as the air is being let out of his ego. Hopefully, humility will be what's left and he will do the right thing and come clean and apologize. :D

[MarshBea]

I would imagine that he's not feeling so "perky" right about now! I can almost hear a "hissing" sound as the air is being let out of his ego. Hopefully, humility will be what's left and he will do the right thing and come clean and apologize. :D

I would like to hear his next sermon.

[James Griffin]

According to Doctor P. Bradley Carey, accreditation is DECEPTION:

http://www.icwseminary.org/deception.htm

Then perhaps we should defer to his judgment, he apparently deserves a PhD by means of experience and life credit in the subject matter of deception.

[Justin]

I would like to hear his next sermon.

I told my wife that this morning. If I didn't teach SS I might be tempted to visit his church again.

[ManOfWord]

Then perhaps we should defer to his judgment, he apparently deserves a PhD by means of experience and life credit in the subject matter of deception.


WOW! Do people not know that things which are on the internet are PUBLIC? Do they not know that people search and READ these things? Amazing! Simply amazing to me! :D

[ManOfWord]

I told my wife that this morning. If I didn't teach SS I might be tempted to visit his church again.

He pastors in the U.S.? :D

[James Griffin]

Congrats John and Dan et al, you have broken into the top ten of all time reply count. :-)

[MarshBea]

I told my wife that this morning. If I didn't teach SS I might be tempted to visit his church again.

If you ever give in to temptation, be sure to let us know the details. :ursofunny

[Timmy]

Congrats John and Dan et al, you have broken into the top ten of all time reply count. :-)

And view count (number 14 in the Fellowship Hall) recently passed "What's for Dinner Tonight?"!

[James Griffin]

And view count (number 14 in the Fellowship Hall) recently passed "What's for Dinner Tonight?"!

True Tim, when this one hits the outside search engines that view count will continue to grow for quite some time.

The reply count for a thread this young is unbelievable.

I get the impression a certain someone wishes he had not:

:macho

which turned into:

:girlytantrum

and should have been:

:surrender

[Standards]

True Tim, when this one hits the outside search engines that view count will continue to grow for quite some time.

The reply count for a thread this young is unbelievable.

I get the impression a certain someone wishes he had not:

:girlytantrum

Gossip will always be popular on this forum. Liberals love to gossip. Bunch of queers.

[Timmy]

True Tim, when this one hits the outside search engines that view count will continue to grow for quite some time.

. . .

Google "southern eastern university". On the second page:

SEU (Southern Eastern University) updates - Apostolic Friends Forum
10 posts - 5 authors - Last post: Jul 2
"All degrees are awarded by Southern Eastern University (USA). SEU does not have a located campus either residential or non-residential. ...
www.apostolicfriendsforum.com/showthread.php?t=30660 - Cached

[Timmy]

Google "southern eastern university". On the second page:

SEU (Southern Eastern University) updates - Apostolic Friends Forum
10 posts - 5 authors - Last post: Jul 2
"All degrees are awarded by Southern Eastern University (USA). SEU does not have a located campus either residential or non-residential. ...
www.apostolicfriendsforum.com/showthread.php?t=30660 - Cached

Oh, put quotes around it and this thread is the second main entry on the first page!

[MarshBea]

Gossip will always be popular on this forum. Liberals love to gossip. Bunch of queers.

Whoa! What a grand attitude. One all we christians should model ourselves after.

[Justin]

He pastors in the U.S.? :D

Westland, michigan.

Google "southern eastern university". On the second page:

SEU (Southern Eastern University) updates - Apostolic Friends Forum
10 posts - 5 authors - Last post: Jul 2
"All degrees are awarded by Southern Eastern University (USA). SEU does not have a located campus either residential or non-residential. ...
www.apostolicfriendsforum.com/showthread.php?t=30660 - Cached

Add "UK" to that text and its on the first page.

[Baron1710]

"A Google search will no doubt throw up my old postings. SAS threatened to sue me for libel at the time, but their knowledge of the law and the value of their courses in it may be judged from the fact that they didn't know that as an (apparently) unincorporated association (of anonymous individuals) they were (1) incapable of being defamed and (2) had no locus standi to sue in any event. "Southern Eastern University", as a US 'mailbox' company does have the requisite locus standi, of course, and has been known to threaten proceedings through "Attorneys Monte Carlo", run from the same terraced house by, wait for it, "Attorney Dr Daniel Grimaldi"."

http://agonist.org/Learning-Center/law/uklawdegreebydistancelearning.html

The names have changed but the operation remains the same.

[pelathais]

"A Google search will no doubt throw up my old postings. SAS threatened to sue me for libel at the time, but their knowledge of the law and the value of their courses in it may be judged from the fact that they didn't know that as an (apparently) unincorporated association (of anonymous individuals) they were (1) incapable of being defamed and (2) had no locus standi to sue in any event. "Southern Eastern University", as a US 'mailbox' company does have the requisite locus standi, of course, and has been known to threaten proceedings through "Attorneys Monte Carlo", run from the same terraced house by, wait for it, "Attorney Dr Daniel Grimaldi"."

http://agonist.org/Learning-Center/law/uklawdegreebydistancelearning.html

The names have changed but the operation remains the same.

So you've sparred with "Count Grimaldi" before?

[Baron1710]

So you've sparred with "Count Grimaldi" before?

No that is someone else. I was simply quoting them.

[pelathais]

No that is someone else. I was simply quoting them.

'doh! Twice now. I need a pause that refreshes.

[ManOfWord]

Congrats John and Dan et al, you have broken into the top ten of all time reply count. :-)

And what/whose thread holds the all time record? LOL

[James Griffin]

And what/whose thread holds the all time record? LOL

Regular, theological or combined? LOL

[ManOfWord]

Regular, theological or combined? LOL

The "One-Stepper" thread. 4264 replies and 44898 views! LOL

[Cindy]

And what/whose thread holds the all time record? LOL

We are not steppin no more........:bliss

[pelathais]

The "One-Stepper" thread. 4264 replies and 44898 views! LOL

As far as most views it seems to be: "Favorite Movie of All Time" - http://apostolicfriendsforum.com/showthread.php?t=9217

This seems to be the place to scroll and lurk to find movie ideas that you can rent and watch on your monitor at home.

[Timmy]

As far as most views it seems to be: "Favorite Movie of All Time" - http://apostolicfriendsforum.com/showthread.php?t=9217

This seems to be the place to scroll and lurk to find movie ideas that you can rent and watch on your monitor at home.

That's in the Fellowship Hall. The grand champion, in all of AFFdom, hailing from the General Debate forum, with 58,527 views:

"Went to Lanny Wolfe birthday & trio reunion" (http://apostolicfriendsforum.com/showthread.php?t=245)

[pelathais]

That's in the Fellowship Hall. The grand champion, in all of AFFdom, hailing from the General Debate forum, with 58,527 views:

"Went to Lanny Wolfe birthday & trio reunion" (http://apostolicfriendsforum.com/showthread.php?t=245)

hmm... It is the "gossipy" and entertainment stuff that draws the lurkers en mass.

Folks who complain about the "gossipy" threads should consider that.

*** How did a Lanny Wolfe Reunion end up being a "General Debate?" I mostly just hang out in the Fellowship Hall.

[Baron1710]

Ladies and gentleman...

While we make the connections to SEU I would like to introduce you to Dr. John Johnson.

Drum roll please...

[Timmy]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t925JwYXhVA

[Timmy]

:foottap

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t925JwYXhVA

[Timmy]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OR809ElBd0k

[Baron1710]

Thanks Timmy.

I have found our friend in universities from the Caribbean to Africa.

and here...

http://www.amcilaw.com/executive_088.htm


unfortunately I can't cut and paste from this page.

This is the guy from SEU.

[Hoovie]

I think this is him.

Time is of the essence, sir.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3AITl10lh2A&feature=related

[pelathais]

Thanks Timmy.

I have found our friend in universities from the Caribbean to Africa.

and here...

http://www.amcilaw.com/executive_088.htm


unfortunately I can't cut and paste from this page.

This is the guy from SEU.

Can't you get into trouble in the UK for unauthorized use of the "HRH" title? "His Royal Highness."

What a bunch of goofs.

[Timmy]

Can't you get into trouble in the UK for unauthorized use of the "HRH" title? "His Royal Highness."

What a bunch of goofs.

And only knights are supposed to use the title "Sir". 'Course maybe Professor Grimaldi really is a knight. And a prince. Maybe.

[Timmy]

There doesn't appear to be a "Santa Ana State University".

[pelathais]

There doesn't appear to be a "Santa Ana State University".

Didn't they honor him with one near downtown San Antonio?

[Baron1710]

There doesn't appear to be a "Santa Ana State University".

What? No Santa Ana State?

Is it a typo or did he go to Southern University while his buddy got into the coveted Southern Eastern.

[Timmy]

What? No Santa Ana State?

Is it a typo or did he go to Southern University while his buddy got into the coveted Southern Eastern.

Google it, and you'll find just one hit. Guess where!

[pelathais]

And only knights are supposed to use the title "Sir". 'Course maybe Professor Grimaldi really is a knight. And a prince. Maybe.

The guy's a loon. He's like one of those cliché crazy guys wearing a Napoleonic hat and a straight jacket.

[DAII]

Thanks Timmy.

I have found our friend in universities from the Caribbean to Africa.

and here...

http://www.amcilaw.com/executive_088.htm


unfortunately I can't cut and paste from this page.

This is the guy from SEU.

One of the Caribbean universities:

http://iceds-cidss.org/executives_119.htm

[El Predicador]

1300 posts dedicated to yellow journalism?

An Apostolic forum?

News, gossip column maybe, but ... never mind

waste of time

sigh

[Timmy]

1300 posts dedicated to yellow journalism?

An Apostolic forum?

News, gossip column maybe, but ... never mind

waste of time

sigh

Good point. Let the New York Times take it from here. ;)

[Maximilian]

1300 posts dedicated to yellow journalism?

An Apostolic forum?

News, gossip column maybe, but ... never mind

waste of time

sigh

Well it was concerning Apostolics! DOH!

What's this site all about? www.apostolicnews.org

Consider it "news" or "journalism."

[MrMasterMind]

gratuitous post to get it to 1300

[Timmy]

gratuitous post to get it to 1300

Well, let me jump in (hope I'm quick enough) and make reply number 1300.

:thumbsup

[MrMasterMind]

Well, let me jump in (hope I'm quick enough) and make reply number 1300.

:thumbsup

Onward Christian soldiers!

[MrMasterMind]

1300 posts dedicated to yellow journalism?

An Apostolic forum?

News, gossip column maybe, but ... never mind

waste of time

sigh

Must be from AMF....I understand they have finally started a thread there flaming AFF for the thread here.

:ursofunny

[DAII]

Wow. The Institute has had a quick turnover in faculty ... Wilson and Boora disappear from page ...

http://www.icwseminary.org/faculty.htm

[Maximilian]

Wow. The Institute has had a quick turnover in faculty ... Wilson and Boora disappear from page ...

http://www.icwseminary.org/faculty.htm

Thanks, Dan Drudge!

Nelly Bly would be proud! :)

[DAII]

Kal Boora's bio on a Washington based school states he worked as a "law tutor" with ICLS and the National Association of Licensed Paralegals, England.

Source: http://www.wsltax.org/school-faculty.php

http://lh6.ggpht.com/_rjZMUSTyomU/TDY6hBtrOxI/AAAAAAAAAmc/UXuvLrPcTuI/boorabio.png

I do not know what that job as law tutor entails .....

However, the NALP, for which Boora worked for in their educational program, has a direct link to SEU.

http://www.nationalparalegals.co.uk/degree_programme.htm

A dedicated office runs the Joint Degree Programme.
Please request further information from John Stacey-Hibbert at Southerneastern@aol.com or phone 01208 863 195.

The Programme, which this year celebrates the eighth year since its commencement, is run by the Association in conjunction with the Southern Eastern University of Arkansas, USA. It was designed as a qualification above that of the Fellowship Award, to assist Members in their career development as Paralegals. It operates at both Bachelor and Masters levels.

It would appear that Boora would have worked in conjunction with a John Stacey-Hibbert who ran this joint degree programme who also ....

Mr. John Stacey-Hibbert also signed Lee Stoneking's SEU degree:

http://lh4.ggpht.com/_rjZMUSTyomU/TDfHmvI6NbI/AAAAAAAAAnc/UGOlcudmGUg/lee5.png

[The Wise]

Wow here I am on this board thread or whatever you choose.
I decided to google some names to see what turned up and to see what the hooey is all about.I know Pastor Wilson personally I was not asked to speak on his behalf but he IS my Pastor. I've been with the church since its early beginings I'm not educated as are some of you. But as a man with some understanding as to what MY Pastors life is like I can say he is a man of integrity , compassion ,honorable. I've watched him pay electric bills ,heating bills, buy cars , pay rent ,purchase groceries for people in his church .Visit the sick ,go to the prisons,pray in the community for those in need, I've seen him at the church all hours of the night praying for revival in GOD's churches in and around our state . I've seen him give up family time to help other families stay together. Find places to stay for youths without homes. The list could go on I've watched him grow as a man as a father as a Pastor HE is a man of GOD. I believe he is doing the best he can and I know he has put in years of study too many subjects to list as I have also followed his lead in trying to further grasp the one WE call GOD.I hope you understand the accusations could possibly hurt the saints at our church especially our new converts . A wise man hears the whole matter before he speaks ,maybe we should put this to practice in our posts he is available by phone maybe a call, a conversation amongst men could have taken place before you tried to drag the brother through the mud. He is my Pastor and I would appreciate that you leave him out of this mess as we are growing a church in JESUS, hundreds have been born again because of this church and I believe we will reach thousands in JESUS NAME. Thank you all for your support in this matter. Me

[Pro31:28]

Wow here I am on this board thread or whatever you choose.
I decided to google some names to see what turned up and to see what the hooey is all about.I know Pastor Wilson personally I was not asked to speak on his behalf but he IS my Pastor. I've been with the church since its early beginings I'm not educated as are some of you. But as a man with some understanding as to what MY Pastors life is like I can say he is a man of integrity , compassion ,honorable. I've watched him pay electric bills ,heating bills, buy cars , pay rent ,purchase groceries for people in his church .Visit the sick ,go to the prisons,pray in the community for those in need, I've seen him at the church all hours of the night praying for revival in GOD's churches in and around our state . I've seen him give up family time to help other families stay together. Find places to stay for youths without homes. The list could go on I've watched him grow as a man as a father as a Pastor HE is a man of GOD. I believe he is doing the best he can and I know he has put in years of study too many subjects to list as I have also followed his lead in trying to further grasp the one WE call GOD.I hope you understand the accusations could possibly hurt the saints at our church especially our new converts . A wise man hears the whole matter before he speaks ,maybe we should put this to practice in our posts he is available by phone maybe a call, a conversation amongst men could have taken place before you tried to drag the brother through the mud. He is my Pastor and I would appreciate that you leave him out of this mess as we are growing a church in JESUS, hundreds have been born again because of this church and I believe we will reach thousands in JESUS NAME. Thank you all for your support in this matter. Me

Wise,
While I am very sorry that this has affected your church, it is imperative that this kind of deceitfulness not be allowed to propagate among us. While your pastor may be innocent, we can not "sweep this under the rug". I appreciate that your new converts may be affected, but there is a greater issue here, truth. If your pastor is the man of God that you claim that he is, HE will come forward to the church himself and admit that he was either swindled into believing or that he was involved in the process.

Having been in a church with a pastor who has fallen, it all started very early when family and then saints began to cover for him and not demand accountability. I apologize for my frankness, but if people like Baron and DAII can find this out, then someone who was smarter and more tech savvy could have figured it out much easier. Just be thankful that it wasn't a "new convert" that found it first.

[Baron1710]

Kal Boora's bio on states he worked as a "law tutor" with ICLS and the National Association of Licensed Paralegals, England.

Source: http://www.wsltax.org/school-faculty.php

http://lh6.ggpht.com/_rjZMUSTyomU/TDY6hBtrOxI/AAAAAAAAAmc/UXuvLrPcTuI/boorabio.png

I do not know what that job as law tutor entails .....

However, the NALP, for which Boora worked for in their educational program, has a direct link to SEU.

http://www.nationalparalegals.co.uk/degree_programme.htm



It would appear that Boora would have worked in conjunction with a John Stacey-Hibbert who ran this joint degree programme who also ....

Mr. John Stacey-Hibbert also signed Lee Stoneking's SEU degree:

http://lh4.ggpht.com/_rjZMUSTyomU/TDfHmvI6NbI/AAAAAAAAAnc/UGOlcudmGUg/lee5.png

Dan,

This explains the violent and sudden reaction by Boora through Art Wilson. The house of cards is coming down. The self proclaimed Oneness scholar is really a con man with long term contacts with other con men selling and exchanging diplomas from bogus universities all over the world. Including apparently running a scam on the British legal system.

[Baron1710]

Lee Stonking can do what ever he pleases, but touting degrees from a diploma mill and having his picture taken with the man who is neck deep in helping facilitate these schools is not a good thing. He needs to clean up his website and break off his association with a con man.

[Baron1710]

In all the recent hoopla I forgot to post the latest attempts by "John Johnson" at SEU (Southern Eastern University) to remove the negative comments about his "school."

"As I understand you, and feel free to correct me if I am wrong, you say you are a lawyer and appear to have a religious conviction. If I am right I feel that you are a disgrace to the legal profession and practice some obscure sense of faith.

As someone within the legal sector you should be aware that the truth can be presented in many ways you have chosen to present SEU in a schoolboy way to have fun whilst at the same time following what appears to be some agenda of your own involving Lee Stoneking without any thought to the effects of your actions.

In relation to your obscure sense of faith my understanding is that one of the common themes running through faiths is to the effect of 'do unto others as you would have done to yourself' this may be a biological need to ensure the survival of humans but nonetheless it appears in most faiths. Can you honestly say you have done unto others as you would have done to yourself?"

Truth can be presented in many ways? Hmmmmm

[Timmy]

In all the recent hoopla I forgot to post the latest attempts by "John Johnson" at SEU (Southern Eastern University) to remove the negative comments about his "school."

"As I understand you, and feel free to correct me if I am wrong, you say you are a lawyer and appear to have a religious conviction. If I am right I feel that you are a disgrace to the legal profession and practice some obscure sense of faith.

As someone within the legal sector you should be aware that the truth can be presented in many ways you have chosen to present SEU in a schoolboy way to have fun whilst at the same time following what appears to be some agenda of your own involving Lee Stoneking without any thought to the effects of your actions.

In relation to your obscure sense of faith my understanding is that one of the common themes running through faiths is to the effect of 'do unto others as you would have done to yourself' this may be a biological need to ensure the survival of humans but nonetheless it appears in most faiths. Can you honestly say you have done unto others as you would have done to yourself?"

Truth can be presented in many ways? Hmmmmm

Well, at least he's partly right:


". . . and practice some obscure sense of faith."

:ursofunny

[The Wise]

He has already addressed the church and stepped down from various positions but as far as the TRUTH is concerned no one addressed him instead it was placed on a public forum as an attack there is no sin in this case he has been involved in theologigal study for the past ten years isn't that long enough to attain to a doctorate or phd seeing as he had other schooling prior to that as for Bro. LS how long has he been involved in ministry if people bestow honors on you for a life time of good works who's looking to see hey is this legit or thank GOD all my hard work has paid off we even myself don't have a clue as to all the man hours put into the labor that these men have done yet you so readily accuse someone of misconduct BEFORE you have spoken to them or gone to the upci board to place a formal complaint instead we get a tidbit of information and its off to the races, maybe these are just two men who have worked hard for the kingdom and were not given the full explaination do think they were approached hey you want some bogus degrees and their response was sure this will make me look good , my LORD what goes on in the minds of people if YOU have ought against your brother go to him so why didn't any of you do that before it was brought here ask yourself what spirit it was, the truth being brought outis in reference to GOD shedding light on the facts not angry disgruntled people I'm not covering my Pastor I'm standing next to him in reference to his character over the last ten years but no one wants to address that instead let's get mad at the poor guy for the fact he was offered a degree after years of study but you don't know this because you don't know him , I do.

[Baron1710]

He has already addressed the church and stepped down from various positions but as far as the TRUTH is concerned no one addressed him instead it was placed on a public forum as an attack there is no sin in this case he has been involved in theologigal study for the past ten years isn't that long enough to attain to a doctorate or phd seeing as he had other schooling prior to that as for Bro. LS how long has he been involved in ministry if people bestow honors on you for a life time of good works who's looking to see hey is this legit or thank GOD all my hard work has paid off we even myself don't have a clue as to all the man hours put into the labor that these men have done yet you so readily accuse someone of misconduct BEFORE you have spoken to them or gone to the upci board to place a formal complaint instead we get a tidbit of information and its off to the races, maybe these are just two men who have worked hard for the kingdom and were not given the full explaination do think they were approached hey you want some bogus degrees and their response was sure this will make me look good , my LORD what goes on in the minds of people if YOU have ought against your brother go to him so why didn't any of you do that before it was brought here ask yourself what spirit it was, the truth being brought outis in reference to GOD shedding light on the facts not angry disgruntled people I'm not covering my Pastor I'm standing next to him in reference to his character over the last ten years but no one wants to address that instead let's get mad at the poor guy for the fact he was offered a degree after years of study but you don't know this because you don't know him , I do.

I can understand you standing by your pastor. But this is much bigger than your pastor. We did not expose the bogus degree to somehow damage the reputation of your pastor. He inserted himself in this thread, apparently at the goading of Mr. Boora, for the purpose of defending Lee Stoneking.

Unfortunately for your pastor he involved himself with a man that had been fingered in purchasing a bogus diploma and on the "faculty" of at least two more, not to mention being involved with a man who has been accused of child rape.

[Baron1710]

Well, at least he's partly right:


". . . and practice some obscure sense of faith."

:ursofunny

Thanks for all the love and support Timmy. LOL.

[DAII]

He has already addressed the church and stepped down from various positions but as far as the TRUTH is concerned no one addressed him instead it was placed on a public forum as an attack there is no sin in this case he has been involved in theologigal study for the past ten years isn't that long enough to attain to a doctorate or phd seeing as he had other schooling prior to that as for Bro. LS how long has he been involved in ministry if people bestow honors on you for a life time of good works who's looking to see hey is this legit or thank GOD all my hard work has paid off we even myself don't have a clue as to all the man hours put into the labor that these men have done yet you so readily accuse someone of misconduct BEFORE you have spoken to them or gone to the upci board to place a formal complaint instead we get a tidbit of information and its off to the races, maybe these are just two men who have worked hard for the kingdom and were not given the full explaination do think they were approached hey you want some bogus degrees and their response was sure this will make me look good , my LORD what goes on in the minds of people if YOU have ought against your brother go to him so why didn't any of you do that before it was brought here ask yourself what spirit it was, the truth being brought outis in reference to GOD shedding light on the facts not angry disgruntled people I'm not covering my Pastor I'm standing next to him in reference to his character over the last ten years but no one wants to address that instead let's get mad at the poor guy for the fact he was offered a degree after years of study but you don't know this because you don't know him , I do.

I don't know anyone on AFF that filed a formal complaint with the UPCI.

[Timmy]

Thanks for all the love and support Timmy. LOL.

:D

[Baron1710]

I don't know anyone on AFF that filed a formal complaint with the UPCI.

Dan I think he/she is saying, with the longest sentence I have ever seen, that we should have done that.

[jfrog]

Wow here I am on this board thread or whatever you choose.
I decided to google some names to see what turned up and to see what the hooey is all about.I know Pastor Wilson personally I was not asked to speak on his behalf but he IS my Pastor. I've been with the church since its early beginings I'm not educated as are some of you. But as a man with some understanding as to what MY Pastors life is like I can say he is a man of integrity , compassion ,honorable. I've watched him pay electric bills ,heating bills, buy cars , pay rent ,purchase groceries for people in his church .Visit the sick ,go to the prisons,pray in the community for those in need, I've seen him at the church all hours of the night praying for revival in GOD's churches in and around our state . I've seen him give up family time to help other families stay together. Find places to stay for youths without homes. The list could go on I've watched him grow as a man as a father as a Pastor HE is a man of GOD. I believe he is doing the best he can and I know he has put in years of study too many subjects to list as I have also followed his lead in trying to further grasp the one WE call GOD.I hope you understand the accusations could possibly hurt the saints at our church especially our new converts . A wise man hears the whole matter before he speaks ,maybe we should put this to practice in our posts he is available by phone maybe a call, a conversation amongst men could have taken place before you tried to drag the brother through the mud. He is my Pastor and I would appreciate that you leave him out of this mess as we are growing a church in JESUS, hundreds have been born again because of this church and I believe we will reach thousands in JESUS NAME. Thank you all for your support in this matter. Me

He has already addressed the church and stepped down from various positions but as far as the TRUTH is concerned no one addressed him instead it was placed on a public forum as an attack there is no sin in this case he has been involved in theologigal study for the past ten years isn't that long enough to attain to a doctorate or phd seeing as he had other schooling prior to that as for Bro. LS how long has he been involved in ministry if people bestow honors on you for a life time of good works who's looking to see hey is this legit or thank GOD all my hard work has paid off we even myself don't have a clue as to all the man hours put into the labor that these men have done yet you so readily accuse someone of misconduct BEFORE you have spoken to them or gone to the upci board to place a formal complaint instead we get a tidbit of information and its off to the races, maybe these are just two men who have worked hard for the kingdom and were not given the full explaination do think they were approached hey you want some bogus degrees and their response was sure this will make me look good , my LORD what goes on in the minds of people if YOU have ought against your brother go to him so why didn't any of you do that before it was brought here ask yourself what spirit it was, the truth being brought outis in reference to GOD shedding light on the facts not angry disgruntled people I'm not covering my Pastor I'm standing next to him in reference to his character over the last ten years but no one wants to address that instead let's get mad at the poor guy for the fact he was offered a degree after years of study but you don't know this because you don't know him , I do.

No one here is trying to run your pastor through the mud on this. In fact, most have said he was a victim. That being said, those who brought these facts to light had every right and even a duty to do so. Don't blame them for uncovering the truth. Don't blame them for making public that a degree, which your pastor made a public claim of having, was actually a fake.

I will say this also: Upon hearing that this degree was a fake your pastor has done every right and noble thing. His actions speak volumes and will eventually redeem his reputation from any blemish this incident might cause.

[DAII]

Any question that the The National Association of Licensed Paralegals (NALP) is associated with a Mr. John Stacy-Hibbert of the diploma mill Southern Eastern University ... of which Kulwant Boora worked for as a law tutor ... NALP that is ....

is confirmed through a WhoIs of NALP's domain registration:

Source:
http://whois.domaintools.com/nationalparalegals.co.uk

Domain name:
nationalparalegals.co.uk

Registrant:
John Stacey-Hibbert

Registrant type:
Unknown

Registrant's address:
21 Southernhay West
Exeter, Devon
Exeter
Devon
EX1 1PR
Unknown
EX1 1PR
United Kingdom

Registrar:
Pi Internet Ltd t/a Pi Internet Ltd [Tag = PIINTERNET]
URL: http://www.pir2.net

Relevant dates:
Registered on: 01-May-2002
Renewal date: 01-May-2012
Last updated: 08-Jul-2010

Registration status:
Registered until renewal date.

Name servers:
chi.piinternet.co.uk 194.72.51.104
phi.piinternet.co.uk 194.72.51.105

Disclaimer
WHOIS lookup made at 04:27:08 10-Jul-2010

http://lh6.ggpht.com/_rjZMUSTyomU/TDfqUPRWF5I/AAAAAAAAAnk/xLaLMK3pMtE/nalp2.png

[MrMasterMind]

He has already addressed the church and stepped down from various positions but as far as the TRUTH is concerned no one addressed him instead it was placed on a public forum as an attack there is no sin in this case he has been involved in theologigal study for the past ten years isn't that long enough to attain to a doctorate or phd seeing as he had other schooling prior to that as for Bro. LS how long has he been involved in ministry if people bestow honors on you for a life time of good works who's looking to see hey is this legit or thank GOD all my hard work has paid off we even myself don't have a clue as to all the man hours put into the labor that these men have done yet you so readily accuse someone of misconduct BEFORE you have spoken to them or gone to the upci board to place a formal complaint instead we get a tidbit of information and its off to the races, maybe these are just two men who have worked hard for the kingdom and were not given the full explaination do think they were approached hey you want some bogus degrees and their response was sure this will make me look good , my LORD what goes on in the minds of people if YOU have ought against your brother go to him so why didn't any of you do that before it was brought here ask yourself what spirit it was, the truth being brought outis in reference to GOD shedding light on the facts not angry disgruntled people I'm not covering my Pastor I'm standing next to him in reference to his character over the last ten years but no one wants to address that instead let's get mad at the poor guy for the fact he was offered a degree after years of study but you don't know this because you don't know him , I do.

Most here took Pastor W's explanation at face value.

It should be stated once again, NO ONE here came after him, HE interjected himself into the forum first, and threatened members here with legal action.

I have no doubt he is a good man at heart, but HE came here and challenged members of this forum, it was NOT a witch hunt, ok?

[jfrog]

Most here took Pastor W's explanation at face value.

It should be stated once again, NO ONE here came after him, HE interjected himself into the forum first, and threatened members here with legal action.

I have no doubt he is a good man at heart, but HE came here and challenged members of this forum, it was NOT a witch hunt, ok?

Are you sure it was Art that threatened with legal action?

[DAII]

Including apparently running a scam on the British legal system.

I think it must be stressed .... again ... no degree at all is needed to become an executive lawyer in Britain ...

That's where having a sister organization like NALP is masterful.

The operators of SEU know that by getting people into their paralegal network and creating a venue where these prospective fellows can intern for the necessary 5 years ... while have the opportunity to also pad and validate their ambitions with a law degree from SEU .... makes this path alluring while seemingly legitimate.


Boora's work for NALP/SEU tells us a lot .... it also gives clear indication as to motive and the reason why Baron's emails to the "director" of SEU seemed to be saying some of the same things we are hearing from other avenues.

The fellow candidate gets a degree and a real ILEX credential ...

The scam I believe comes after ... when a person walks in to a law office and rests easy in the knowledge that their lawyer executive has a degree (SEU)

[Sam]

...
But clue number one, if you pay money and get a doctorate degree in the mail 90 days later it isn't legit.

I did not pay money for mine.
Does that make it legit?

[DAII]

The following to me makes laugh out loud.

In describing the Joint Programme with SEU ... NALP's page says:

Under the Programme, Degrees are offered at both Bachelors and Master's levels and are open to all Associate Members and above and to all those who can show a qualification or qualifications of an equal level.

The cost of the programme is extremely cheap, but that is because the Association absorbs the administrative costs.

It must be stressed that the Degrees are not 'qualifying degrees' for the purpose of proceeding to qualify as either a Solicitor or a Barrister and that the degrees are offered by an American University and not a UK University

http://www.nationalparalegals.co.uk/degree_programme.htm

Of course the cost is absorbed because they are ... one and the same ...

Caveat emptor: When the price is too good to be true ... its to good to be true

[Baron1710]

Anyone recognize this name...Jaswant Singh??

http://www.southerneasternuniversity.co.uk/llb_degree1courses.html

See the 5th box on the left at the link...

Could it be that JASWANT SINGH BOORA Bethel United Church of Jesus Christ Apostolic (U.K.)

Is related to...Kulwant Sing Boora???

"I am extremely encouraged by Bro. Boora’s testimony and I am sharing it here on Apostolic News.
PB: While you were a Sikh, how did you hear about the truth?
KB: My twin brother was the one that made the truth know to me, in very simple terms."

http://www.apostolicnews.org/2009/12/ex-sikh-convert-shares-his-incredible-testimony/

[DAII]

Anyone recognize this name...Jaswant Singh??

http://www.southerneasternuniversity.co.uk/llb_degree1courses.html

See the 5th box on the left at the link...

Could it be that JASWANT SINGH BOORA Bethel United Church of Jesus Christ Apostolic (U.K.)

Is related to...Kulwant Sing Boora???

"I am extremely encouraged by Bro. Boora’s testimony and I am sharing it here on Apostolic News.
PB: While you were a Sikh, how did you hear about the truth?
KB: My twin brother was the one that made the truth know to me, in very simple terms."

http://www.apostolicnews.org/2009/12/ex-sikh-convert-shares-his-incredible-testimony/

Jaswant was also linked to the Institute ... listed as a professor.

[MrMasterMind]

Are you sure it was Art that threatened with legal action?

Yes, although there is discussion as to whether or not he intended to be considered as part of the legal team by use of the word "we"

Initially both he and James Anderson for some reason believed there were grounds to bring legal action against this forum and/or some of its members.

Since everything initially stated here has been proven, they of course no longer feel that way.

Regardless the point is THEY came HERE in attack posture, it was NOT the other way around.

No one is out to get them.

They are both good men that made a mistake in judgment, nothing more, nothing less.

[DAII]

A link to Jaswat's role with the Institue of Christian works here:

http://web.archive.org/web/20070415214826/http://www.icwseminary.org/faculty.htm

And Jaswat's testimonial for SEU:

http://lh4.ggpht.com/_rjZMUSTyomU/TDfxkM0ETdI/AAAAAAAAAns/aVfinKmO0wc/boora7.png

[DAII]

The excerpt of the Apostolic New article that Baron reference ... Is Jaswat, the twin brother? I think it is a pretty safe inference:

http://lh4.ggpht.com/_rjZMUSTyomU/TDfyqXZzmqI/AAAAAAAAAnw/pL8rqKq8KB0/apostolic%20news%20interview.png

[Jason B]

Is "Wise" perhaps Boora?

[rgcraig]

Wow, I think that first sentence is the longest I've ever seen.He has already addressed the church and stepped down from various positions but as far as the TRUTH is concerned no one addressed him instead it was placed on a public forum as an attack there is no sin in this case he has been involved in theologigal study for the past ten years isn't that long enough to attain to a doctorate or phd seeing as he had other schooling prior to that as for Bro. LS how long has he been involved in ministry if people bestow honors on you for a life time of good works who's looking to see hey is this legit or thank GOD all my hard work has paid off we even myself don't have a clue as to all the man hours put into the labor that these men have done yet you so readily accuse someone of misconduct BEFORE you have spoken to them or gone to the upci board to place a formal complaint instead we get a tidbit of information and its off to the races, maybe these are just two men who have worked hard for the kingdom and were not given the full explaination do think they were approached hey you want some bogus degrees and their response was sure this will make me look good , my LORD what goes on in the minds of people if YOU have ought against your brother go to him so why didn't any of you do that before it was brought here ask yourself what spirit it was, the truth being brought outis in reference to GOD shedding light on the facts not angry disgruntled people I'm not covering my Pastor I'm standing next to him in reference to his character over the last ten years but no one wants to address that instead let's get mad at the poor guy for the fact he was offered a degree after years of study but you don't know this because you don't know him , I do.

[DAII]

Is "Wise" perhaps Boora?

By all accounts ... Boora does attend the Wilson church ... however I don't think this is Boora.

For the record, I have heard great things about the community efforts of Pastor Wilson through various sources ... there is no doubt that Art has rolled up his sleeves and reached out to the disenfranchised and disadvantaged over the years.

[DAII]

How far is Birmingham to Manchester? Baron, isn't "Dr. John Johnson" near Manchester?

[Baron1710]

Lee Stoneking is in good company...

Mr Inoni Ephraim was appointed to the honorary, but nonetheless, prestigious post of Prime minister, on the 4th of December 2004. The post of Prime minister, is one those flashy posts of responsibility, that in Cameroon, the majority French-speaking government in Yaoundé, earmarks for Anglophone Cameroonians, who it must be stressed, can never be nominated to head any strategic posts in the country...

...In the United States, he registered for a Masters Degree course at the Southern Eastern University, where he graduated with an MBA in Public Administration.

http://elie-smithsstory.blogspot.com/2008/08/brief-bio-of-cameroons-prime-minister.html

[Baron1710]

How far is Birmingham to Manchester? Baron, isn't "Dr. John Johnson" near Manchester?

I believe that is correct.

[MrMasterMind]

Is "Wise" perhaps Boora?

Neither arrogant enough nor knowledgeable enough of what happened on this thread

[DAII]

Baron, good find on the Jaswat link ...

[Baron1710]

Not to completely lose track of where we are but let us not forget that Lee Stoneking was listed as adjunct faculty for the notorious Southern Eastern University.

This is not just an honorary degree, he listed himself as faculty.

[Hoovie]

Not to completely lose track of where we are but let us not forget that Lee Stoneking was listed as adjunct faculty for the notorious Southern Eastern University.

This is not just an honorary degree, he listed himself as faculty.

I could not find where LS made the claim though...

[The Wise]

For the record I'm not kal. As for knowledge I've read the whole thread from one. Just giving my thoughts as a member. I Love My Pastor He helped save my life,I don't say more my testimony would scare some.

[Hoovie]

By all accounts ... Boora does attend the Wilson church ...

.

Run "Forest Run"

[MrMasterMind]

For the record I'm not kal. As for knowledge I've read the whole thread from one. Just giving my thoughts as a member. I Love My Pastor He helped save my life,I don't say more my testimony would scare some.

And it has been repeatedly stated he is a good man.

Vaya con Dios

[DAII]

For the record I'm not kal. As for knowledge I've read the whole thread from one. Just giving my thoughts as a member. I Love My Pastor He helped save my life,I don't say more my testimony would scare some.

You have most definitely shown your love, forgiveness and loyalty to your pastor.

Is Kal active in the church?

[Timmy]

I could not find where LS made the claim though...

It has been removed from his bio page. Here's a post with the older version:

http://apostolicfriendsforum.com/showpost.php?p=934678&postcount=335

[Timmy]

BTW, no version of the bio that I've seen says that the degree from SEU is honorary.

[Baron1710]

I could not find where LS made the claim though...

Hoovie it was listed on the website before the first change...It is still listed on the fan site on Facebook that copied the list from his webpage.

Degrees:

* Bachelor of Theology in Apostolic Studies - ABI
* Ph.D - Southern Eastern University
* Adjunct Professor of Theology - SEU

http://www.facebook.com/#!/pages/Rev-Lee-Stoneking-UPCI-PREACHER/113005588745937?v=info&ref=ts

[Timmy]

The latest bio has another degree that wasn't in the previous version, and it's in bold type:

Doctor of Christian Philosophy in Christian Education - Institute for Christian Works Bible College and Seminary - South Carolina Campus

[DAII]

Hoovie it was listed on the website before the first change...It is still listed on the fan site on Facebook that copied the list from his webpage.

Degrees:

* Bachelor of Theology in Apostolic Studies - ABI
* Ph.D - Southern Eastern University
* Adjunct Professor of Theology - SEU

http://www.facebook.com/#!/pages/Rev-Lee-Stoneking-UPCI-PREACHER/113005588745937?v=info&ref=ts

http://lh4.ggpht.com/_rjZMUSTyomU/TC55j-xeR0I/AAAAAAAAAj4/NSPKBskqo40/S320/ls2.png

Screen capture of Stoneking's bio before it was updated twice last weekend.

Hoovie this was posted very early in this thread.

[MrMasterMind]

hoovie

Lot of people on this forum and others unfortunately have not been able to follow all the nuances because of its size.

Stoneking's bio on his personal web site actually changed from day to day as facts were revealed here.

[DAII]

Also use webarchives.org, Hoovie, to access old cached pages of m any website to see the sites development over time.

[DAII]

hoovie

Lot of people on this forum and others unfortunately have not been able to follow all the nuances because of its size.

Stoneking's bio on his personal web site actually changed from day to day as facts were revealed here.

A blog site might be necessary to summarize and make this more linear.

[MrMasterMind]

A blog site might be necessary to summarize and make this more linear.

Ah Dan you know enough software, just do a graphic timeline. LOL

[pelathais]

Wow here I am on this board thread or whatever you choose.
I decided to google some names to see what turned up and to see what the hooey is all about.I know Pastor Wilson personally I was not asked to speak on his behalf but he IS my Pastor. I've been with the church since its early beginings I'm not educated as are some of you. But as a man with some understanding as to what MY Pastors life is like I can say he is a man of integrity , compassion ,honorable. ... Me

Wise, your pastor came on here initially after being goaded to do so by Kal Boora. His first post was so unsteady that he deleted it himself. I could then watch as he got up to speed on this issue - and he did do the honorable thing.

He has a great deal of respect here now for what he has said and done.

There were others who were mislead by Brother Boora on this very board. They have expressed a great deal of disappointment in even having listened to what Boora had to say.

[pelathais]

Lee Stoneking is in good company...

Mr Inoni Ephraim was appointed to the honorary, but nonetheless, prestigious post of Prime minister, on the 4th of December 2004. The post of Prime minister, is one those flashy posts of responsibility, that in Cameroon, the majority French-speaking government in Yaoundé, earmarks for Anglophone Cameroonians, who it must be stressed, can never be nominated to head any strategic posts in the country...

...In the United States, he registered for a Masters Degree course at the Southern Eastern University, where he graduated with an MBA in Public Administration.

http://elie-smithsstory.blogspot.com/2008/08/brief-bio-of-cameroons-prime-minister.html

The representative of a disenfranchised minority buys a degree from a phony school. Can anyone else see a cycle of poverty and continued disenfranchisement here?

That is my concern as this issue applies to the Oneness movement. If all we ever do is what we have always done - we're only going to get what we've always gotten. Phony degrees breed illiterate and out of step theologies.

Let's get it right!

[Timmy]

The representative of a disenfranchised minority buys a degree from a phony school. Can anyone else see a cycle of poverty and continued disenfranchisement here?

That is my concern as this issue applies to the Oneness movement. If all we ever do is what we have always done - we're only going to get what we've always gotten. Phony degrees breed illiterate and out of step theologies.

Let's get it right!

Bravo!

Now, get busy, Oneness movement. :thumbsup

[Knight]

Wise, your pastor came on here initially after being goaded to do so by Kal Boora. His first post was so unsteady that he deleted it himself. I could then watch as he got up to speed on this issue - and he did do the honorable thing.

He has a great deal of respect here now for what he has said and done.

There were others who were mislead by Brother Boora on this very board. They have expressed a great deal of disappointment in even having listened to what Boora had to say.


150% CORRECT!! :thumbsup

[Justin]

A blog site might be necessary to summarize and make this more linear.

Ah Dan you know enough software, just do a graphic timeline. LOL

:thumbsup

Wise, your pastor came on here initially after being goaded to do so by Kal Boora. His first post was so unsteady that he deleted it himself. I could then watch as he got up to speed on this issue - and he did do the honorable thing.

He has a great deal of respect here now for what he has said and done.

There were others who were mislead by Brother Boora on this very board. They have expressed a great deal of disappointment in even having listened to what Boora had to say.

Did anyone capture his first post that was deleted?

[Justin]

This is a response to the unwarranted comments, posted on the Apostolic Friends Forum regarding Mr. Lee Stoneking.

Firstly, the individual who posted such comments appears to be an individual that consistently posts comments on websites about other individuals, so it should not come as a surprise to see such conduct. In addition to this, it appears that the person has also violated the policy of the Apostolic Friends Forum, by using the forum as a means to circulate his or her propaganda.

Secondly, in speaking with the former Chair of SEU’s committee recently in Europe, communication was provided that verified that Mr. Stoneking was awarded an honorary Ph.D., from SEU, prior to the appointment of Mr. Johnson as Director. Mr. Johnson is currently being apprised of the matter by the former Chair of SEU in Europe. Mr. Stoneking has not been in any dialogue or direct communication with the author of such defamatory comments, who call’s themselves Baron.

As Mr. Stoneking’s British lawyer, we are currently looking into some additional matters regarding the underlying policies of the Apostolic Friends Forum, since we have been provided with confirmation and verification of Mr. Stoneking’s credentials and status. We anticipate that this resolves any misunderstanding.
Mr. Stoneking was honored by these schools for his lifetime work (SEU, ICW) he paid no funds or fees. you should print a retraction of your statements.


What was your first post which someone said was deleted? Has anyone else posted under your name "Knight", as you claimed to be Stoneking's British Lawyer? Is that what you were goaded to say?

[Justin]

07-04-2010, 05:15 PM
Replies: 1,171 SEU (Southern Eastern University) updates
Views: 15,334 Posted By Knight
Re: SEU (Southern Eastern University) updates

I am not the attorney, i forwarded a copy of the steps interested supporters are taking..

I cleared that up way back.. I never claimed to be a attorney! I pasted a copy of what was sent to me when I was trying to get answers!!

What was your first post which someone said was deleted? Has anyone else posted under your name "Knight", as you claimed to be Stoneking's British Lawyer? Is that what you were goaded to say?

Nevermind. Found it. :thumbsup

[Timmy]

BTW, the phrase "who call’s themselves Baron" cracks me up. Just sayin'. :lol

[pelathais]

:thumbsup



Did anyone capture his first post that was deleted?

I think that everyone should get at least one "do over."

[pelathais]

Nevermind. Found it. :thumbsup

It seems to have been a "cut-and-paste" error that happens all the time. I accept the explanation that the post wasn't an attempt to deceive on Knight's part.

The "I am an attorney" claim appears to have been Boora's words that Knight pasted into his post to try and show what "Bro. Stoneking's supporters" were saying.

I truly believe Bro. Stoneking needs to distance himself from that kind of "support." So far, everyone who has been contacted by Bro. Boora has expressed regret in even having listened to him. But then again, Bro. Boora appears to have made something of a career out of being "persuasive." Just look at his multiple links to degree mills and other questionable associations.

"Count" Grimaldi "the first cousin" of the Prince of Monaco a.k.a. David Swann.
"Dr." Preston Bradley Carey of Mount Vernon, Washington and a host of other offices and locales.

[Baron1710]

It seems to have been a "cut-and-paste" error that happens all the time. I accept the explanation that the post wasn't an attempt to deceive on Knight's part.

The "I am an attorney" claim appears to have been Boora's words that Knight pasted into his post to try and show what "Bro. Stoneking's supporters" were saying.

I truly believe Bro. Stoneking needs to distance himself from that kind of "support." So far, everyone who has been contacted by Bro. Boora has expressed regret in even having listened to him. But then again, Bro. Boora appears to have made something of a career out of being "persuasive." Just look at his multiple links to degree mills and other questionable associations.

"Count" Grimaldi "the first cousin" of the Prince of Monaco a.k.a. David Swann.
"Dr." Preston Bradley Carey of Mount Vernon, Washington and a host of other offices and locales.

Yep.

Pel, you and I had two misunderstandings just yesterday as a result of cut and paste...it does happen all the time.

[Praxeas]

I agree too and I am willing to give Knight the benefit of the doubt. Id like to see this put to rest.

On another matter though, the "letter" did not strike me a being from someone that has not only studied law but been involved in legal matters such as cease and desist orders or writing legal contracts or whatever.

[MrMasterMind]

I agree too and I am willing to give Knight the benefit of the doubt. Id like to see this put to rest.

On another matter though, the "letter" did not strike me a being from someone that has not only studied law but been involved in legal matters such as cease and desist orders or writing legal contracts or whatever.

No doubt "someone" has had a lot of experience in reading cease and desist orders.

[DAII]

More to come on Jaswant Boora, SEU and the NALP connection .... including forum posts from disgruntled students at the NAPL's ... which later becomes the NALP.

Even a 2004 Jaswant Boora forum post on their forum ... giving insight as to why one would go the NALP/SEU direction.

John Stacey and NALP admin do their best to spin the non-recognition of SEU.

[Justin]

So is the doctorate that LS received from ICW legit?

[Timmy]

So is the doctorate that LS received from ICW legit?

ICW's website, http://www.icwseminary.org/, has near the top a link to an article entitled "THE ACCREDITATION DECEPTION". That alone is quite telling, IMO.

BTW, the degree from ICW wasn't on LS's bio page until very recently. And it no longer mentions his "Adjunct Professor" position at SEU. These changes occurred after this thread was started, if I recall.

[Timmy]

See http://apostolicfriendsforum.com/showpost.php?p=934695&postcount=342

[sunshinegirl]

"Instead of giving you God's Law as food and drink by which you can banquet on God, they package it in bundles of rules, loading you down like pack animals. They seem to take pleasure in watching you stagger under these loads, and wouldn't think of lifting a finger to help. Their lives are perpetual fashion shows, embroidered prayer shawls one day and flowery prayers the next. They love to sit at the head table at church dinners, basking in the most prominent positions, preening in the radiance of public flattery, receiving honorary degrees, and getting called 'Doctor' and 'Reverend.' "

Matthew 23:4-7, The Message

[mizpeh]

"Instead of giving you God's Law as food and drink by which you can banquet on God, they package it in bundles of rules, loading you down like pack animals. They seem to take pleasure in watching you stagger under these loads, and wouldn't think of lifting a finger to help. Their lives are perpetual fashion shows, embroidered prayer shawls one day and flowery prayers the next. They love to sit at the head table at church dinners, basking in the most prominent positions, preening in the radiance of public flattery, receiving honorary degrees, and getting called 'Doctor' and 'Reverend.' "

Matthew 23:4-7, The Message


T-hey've received t-heir reward.

[Pro31:28]

"Instead of giving you God's Law as food and drink by which you can banquet on God, they package it in bundles of rules, loading you down like pack animals. They seem to take pleasure in watching you stagger under these loads, and wouldn't think of lifting a finger to help. Their lives are perpetual fashion shows, embroidered prayer shawls one day and flowery prayers the next. They love to sit at the head table at church dinners, basking in the most prominent positions, preening in the radiance of public flattery, receiving honorary degrees, and getting called 'Doctor' and 'Reverend.' "

Matthew 23:4-7, The Message

Preach the word, Sunny!!! :thumbsup

[Jason B]

"Instead of giving you God's Law as food and drink by which you can banquet on God, they package it in bundles of rules, loading you down like pack animals. They seem to take pleasure in watching you stagger under these loads, and wouldn't think of lifting a finger to help. Their lives are perpetual fashion shows, embroidered prayer shawls one day and flowery prayers the next. They love to sit at the head table at church dinners, basking in the most prominent positions, preening in the radiance of public flattery, receiving honorary degrees, and getting called 'Doctor' and 'Reverend.' "

Matthew 23:4-7, The Message

:ursofunny LOL, I had to look it up, I couldn't believe it.

As NOW says, "Jason I'm never wrong." ;)

[Hoovie]

:ursofunny LOL, I had to look it up, I couldn't believe it.

As NOW says, "Jason I'm never wrong." ;)

Me Too!

[Timmy]

T-hey've received t-heir reward.

LO-L

[DAII]

Bump for Pelathais

Anyone recognize this name...Jaswant Singh??

http://www.southerneasternuniversity.co.uk/llb_degree1courses.html

See the 5th box on the left at the link...

Could it be that JASWANT SINGH BOORA Bethel United Church of Jesus Christ Apostolic (U.K.)

Is related to...Kulwant Sing Boora???

"I am extremely encouraged by Bro. Boora’s testimony and I am sharing it here on Apostolic News.
PB: While you were a Sikh, how did you hear about the truth?
KB: My twin brother was the one that made the truth know to me, in very simple terms."

http://www.apostolicnews.org/2009/12/ex-sikh-convert-shares-his-incredible-testimony/

Jaswant was also linked to the Institute ... listed as a professor.

A link to Jaswat's role with the Institue of Christian works here:

http://web.archive.org/web/20070415214826/http://www.icwseminary.org/faculty.htm

And Jaswat's testimonial for SEU:

http://lh4.ggpht.com/_rjZMUSTyomU/TDfxkM0ETdI/AAAAAAAAAns/aVfinKmO0wc/boora7.png

The excerpt of the Apostolic New article that Baron reference ... Is Jaswat, the twin brother? I think it is a pretty safe inference:

http://lh4.ggpht.com/_rjZMUSTyomU/TDfyqXZzmqI/AAAAAAAAAnw/pL8rqKq8KB0/apostolic%20news%20interview.png

[DAII]

"Instead of giving you God's Law as food and drink by which you can banquet on God, they package it in bundles of rules, loading you down like pack animals. They seem to take pleasure in watching you stagger under these loads, and wouldn't think of lifting a finger to help. Their lives are perpetual fashion shows, embroidered prayer shawls one day and flowery prayers the next. They love to sit at the head table at church dinners, basking in the most prominent positions, preening in the radiance of public flattery, receiving honorary degrees, and getting called 'Doctor' and 'Reverend.' "

Matthew 23:4-7, The Message

Wow. :thumbsup

[pelathais]

Wow. :thumbsup

Yeah. I had never noticed that one either. You go sunshinegirl!

[DAII]

Another name has surfaced in this web of degree deceit that is linked to Kal Boora ...

Edwin Sepulveda, who claims/claimed a LLM and/or JD .... from LaSalle University.

http://www.hep.uiuc.edu/home/g-gollin/oregon_north_dakota/breyerstate/faculty_list_saint_regis_files/Edwin_1.jpg

Edwin worked on the fictitious St. Regis University faculty with Dr. P. Bradley Carey and Kulwant Boora ... according to the archived 2004 faculty page.

He seems to have attended the Washington Institute of Graduate Studies attaining his LLM in 1998. Kal Boora, if you remember is also an adjunct professor at this school. (source: http://www.wsltax.org/)

His job at the Saint Regis University, diploma mill, is listed as "Professor Dr. Edwin Sepulveda; Senior Advisor, Career Advisor and Student Mentor to Mediation, Arbitration Resolution student. (source: http://web.archive.org/web/20040205152817/http://www.saintregisuniversity.ac/faculty.htm)

http://lh6.ggpht.com/_rjZMUSTyomU/TDu24xtHQUI/AAAAAAAAAoQ/ksIMIFRa6Eg/sepulveda2.png

Sepulveda's 2001-2002 CV reads as follows:

Mr. Edwin Sepulveda is a Consultant and Mediator for human resource management.. He completed his Juris Doctor degree from Lasalle University, Master of Laws degree from Washington Law School and received his training in mediation from Mediation Training Institute with Dr. Daniel Dana.

Mr. Sepulveda has been a consultant for Nored Drugstore for the past twenty-two years in the area of human resource management and business administration. His tenure in the military as Human Resource Management Specialist began at age twenty-one as a reserve commissioned officer in the U.S. Army with the rank of second lieutenant. Subsequently, he served in the U.S. Army Reserve and in the Army National Guard raising to the rank of captain. He had two company command tours and served in various staff assignments. Among the tasks that he performs as a Consultant and administrator are human resource management and training. Mr. Sepulveda served also as a consultant for " Preventive Corporate Law" to law firm and Corporation. He defines his preventive corporate law concept as "the process of identifying potential legal and regulatory problems before they turn into court problems."

His professional areas of interest are Labor Law, Human Resource Management and Workplace Mediation

Mr. Sepulveda is member of the College of Professional Mediation, American Management Association, Society for Human Resource Management, American Arbitration Association, American Bar Association, National Bar Association, International Bar Association, Reserve Officer Association of the United States, and the American Legion. Source:http://cache.zoominfo.com/CachedPage/?archive_id=0&page_id=183069580&page_url=//www.mediationworks.com/mti/ct/sepulved.htm&page_last_updated=1/4/2002+11:36:09+PM&firstName=Edwin&lastName=Sepulveda

The same Justice Department database that shows Kal Boora making a degree mill purchase ... also shows Sepulveda making a purchase ... with his degree listed as LaSalle.

http://www.spokesmanreview.com/data/diploma-mill/cover.asp?name=sepulveda

http://lh6.ggpht.com/_rjZMUSTyomU/TDu249kHZeI/AAAAAAAAAoM/aiEksaDIFUk/sepulveda1.png

Here is one of 8 Sepulveda forum posts on the Washington Institute site's forum ... trying to sell the school hard to potential students, IMO.
http://www.wsltax.org/forum/search.php

http://lh4.ggpht.com/_rjZMUSTyomU/TDu42ahX10I/AAAAAAAAAoY/_PqvR8RHnj8/sepulveda3.png

[DAII]

bump

[Justin]

LOL there are no threats. The first post you quoted was actually nothing more than Dan has said... tip of the iceberg.

The latter was in response to a post talking about the events that came together which brought the thread to where it is.

There is no "retribution", but yes more facts are being uncovered, and the three you mentioned aren't the only ones putting them together.

Not even close, there is info coming in by the first of the week which has the possibility of being so explosive as to make everything that has happened here so far seem like a firecracker by comparison

Anything?

[Baron1710]

Are we taking bets on how this will be handled on leestonking.com?

I still wonder when he figured out he was no longer an adjunct at Southern Eastern?

Was it when they quit sending him paychecks?

[Jason B]

Between this thread and the letter Justin is sending to LS, he's going to be pretty busy.

Theres going to be alot of calling fire down from heaven.

[DAII]

Bump

[Baron1710]

Well Dan it is interesting to see that Lee Stoneking has no desire to make this issue right as the nonsense is still posted on his website.

[drummerboy_dave]

Well Dan it is interesting to see that Lee Stoneking has no desire to make this issue right as the nonsense is still posted on his website..... and his facebook.

[rgcraig]

Well Dan it is interesting to see that Lee Stoneking has no desire to make this issue right as the nonsense is still posted on his website.

.... and his facebook.

Perhaps he's still overseas.

[Baron1710]

Perhaps he's still overseas.

I believe he was in Virginia last week.

[mental]

Sounds like SEU

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Td7CJtYXZ3Q&feature=player_embedded

[Praxeas]

Well Dan it is interesting to see that Lee Stoneking has no desire to make this issue right as the nonsense is still posted on his website.

Perhaps he's still overseas.
It doesn't matter. Im sure LS does not manage his own website and even if he did it would take no more than a few min to log onto the internet, log into the cpanel of his website and edit that page

[Baron1710]

It doesn't matter. Im sure LS does not manage his own website and even if he did it would take no more than a few min to log onto the internet, log into the cpanel of his website and edit that page

We do know he is capable of making changes on it rather quickly when he wants to.

[Praxeas]

We do know he is capable of making changes on it rather quickly when he wants to.
yeah, he can do it himself or call whoever is his webmaster. It's not hard to just edit that stuff out or have someone else do it

[rgcraig]

Apparently, he doesn't feel the need to update it.

[Baron1710]

Apparently, he doesn't feel the need to update it.

Perhaps it buys him credibility with the gullible crowd.

[rgcraig]

Perhaps it buys him credibility with the gullible crowd.

He's really in a precarious position - - if he deletes it now, then it will make others question why he had it up in the first place. Maybe he's banking on most not knowing the truth.

[Baron1710]

He's really in a precarious position - - if he deletes it now, then it will make others question why he had it up in the first place. Maybe he's banking on most not knowing the truth.

Are you saying he has to play politics with the fact that he got caught with his hand in the cookie jar?

[rgcraig]

Are you saying he has to play politics with the fact that he got caught with his hand in the cookie jar?

I'm not saying anything..........:bigbaby

[tv1a]

Has anyone booked LS because of his doctorate credentials? I think the magic hairesy is where the battle needs fought.

[tv1a]

If LS can call fire down from heaven on people. I have a few people I wouldn't mind God turning into a crispy critter. A demon possessed family member has been stalking my children, especially my son. She has neighbors call her everytime my son mows the church yard. She sits a fast food restaraunt across the street from my church spying on my kids while they are ministering to the young people in our community. I've been to court numerous times, and they said she "hasn't broken the law". Thanks LS. Maybe it's a good time to reread Psalms 58.
http://vref.me/nlt/ps58

Between this thread and the letter Justin is sending to LS, he's going to be pretty busy.

Theres going to be alot of calling fire down from heaven.

[Jason B]

If LS can call fire down from heaven on people. I have a few people I wouldn't mind God turning into a crispy critter. A demon possessed family member has been stalking my children, especially my son. She has neighbors call her everytime my son mows the church yard. She sits a fast food restaraunt across the street from my church spying on my kids while they are ministering to the young people in our community. I've been to court numerous times, and they said she "hasn't broken the law". Thanks LS. Maybe it's a good time to reread Psalms 58.
http://vref.me/nlt/ps58

my comment was in response to a LS quote that DA provided a while back where LS talked about opponents of his hairesy dropping dead like Acts ch.5

I cannot remember if he mentioned calling fire down from heaven, but I mean, while people are dropping dead for trimming their dead ends (pun somewhat intended :D) may as well call fire down and save the burial expense. Plus that will really get the peoples attention!

[tv1a]

Either way if the man after God's own heart prayed and wrote songs that God's enemies who coming against him be swallowed up by hell, I think that is the answer I'm looking for.
I'll post the obit when it happens.

my comment was in response to a LS quote that DA provided a while back where LS talked about opponents of his hairesy dropping dead like Acts ch.5

I cannot remember if he mentioned calling fire down from heaven, but I mean, while people are dropping dead for trimming their dead ends (pun somewhat intended :D) may as well call fire down and save the burial expense. Plus that will really get the peoples attention!

[DAII]

Bump

[Justin]

Bump

You ever going to make that website/blog entry which summarizes this thread for the rest of the world to read?

[Barb]

Bump

Again, what is your purpose in bumping a thread?!

[Ferd]

Windmill

[DAII]

You ever going to make that website/blog entry which summarizes this thread for the rest of the world to read?

Not sure ... very busy lately.

[Baron1710]

Well we been waiting and waiting for LS to update his website, yet he continues to claim his degree from Southern Eastern. He has dropped his claim as an adjunct which we know wasn't true since the diploma mill didn't even know who he was.


I guess integrity has no place in certain preaching circuits.

[Baron1710]

Check out the fancy new website since we last visited SEU.

http://seulcas.net/homepage_023.htm

[Baron1710]

Perhaps LS could get a job as an adjunct at their equally useless Caribbean campus -

http://iceds-cidss.org/cv_rodny_120.htm

[DAII]

Check out the fancy new website since we last visited SEU.

http://seulcas.net/homepage_023.htm

Is this multi-level marketing?
An old site? A rip-off site from the "original"?
An annex? A franchise?
A disgruntled grad seeking to get his money back?
The Prince of Monaco competing with Stacey-Hibbert for the SEU brand?

Who owns this domain? Not on my computer?

[Baron1710]

Is this multi-level marketing?
An old site? A rip-off site from the "original"?
An annex? A franchise?
A disgruntled grad seeking to get his money back?
The Prince of Monaco competing with Stacey-Hibbert for the SEU brand?

Who owns this domain? Not on my computer?

I will take a look, but all the names that we are familiar which pop up on one page or another on this site. I think they abandoned the old sight after all the bad press.

[DAII]

I will take a look, but all the names that we are familiar with pop up on one page or another on this site. I think they abandoned the old sight after all the bad press.

http://www.southerneasternuniversity.co.uk/

This one is still active

[Baron1710]

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[Baron1710]

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[DAII]

I believe the Count and Stacey-Hibbert had a falling out after the Count's incarceration.
Stacey-Hibbert forcibly taking over operations during that time.

The Count still lays claim to original SEU and also capitalizing on the scheme.

This I think is corroborated by Broegart.

[Baron1710]

I believe the Count and Stacey-Hibbert had a falling out after the Count's incarceration.
Stacey-Hibbert forcibly taking over operations during that time.

The Count still lays claim to original SEU and also capitalizing on the scheme.

This I think is corroborated by Broegart.

http://seulcas.net/presentation_facultes_111.htm

Here is who is listed on their page.

[DAII]

Rodney Daniel, the French esquire, and director of the Caribbean campus is an associate of the Count.

He is either the Count's front man in these SEU "knock-offs" or is cashing in on this scheme individually

[Baron1710]

Rodney Daniel, the French esquire, and director of the Caribbean campus is an associate of the Count.

He is either the Count's front man in these SEU "knock-offs" or is cashing in on this scheme individually

These schools are all linked on the new page (about 10 of them) to give each of them, and SEU, the look of legitimacy.

[DAII]

Just as a reminder ...

Our friend Boora was sucked in and trained under Stacey-Hibbert's tutelage .... he was able to get his apprenticeship done through Hibbert's connections ....

He apparently is the one who managed to manufacture the degrees for AW and Stoneking ... through his friendship with Stacey-Hibbert with very little effort on their parts.

Stoneking proudly promotes the SEU degree signed by Stacey-Hibbert ... who at the time resided and ran the University from a London flat, above a bar.

[DAII]

This is hilarious ... I had suspected this after communicating with Broegart ...

There are essentially two SEU diploma mills

.... one run by the the original founder, Dan Grimaldi, the Count ... probably targeting the French and Latin American communities and anyone else who will get duped

.... the British counterpart ... once run by Grimaldi ... now run by Stacey-Hibbert who has tried to legitimize it as much as possible through the legal organization he helped set up ... while both lay claim to the incorporation started in Arkansas.

Neither with any credible form of accreditation.

[Baron1710]

Just as a reminder ...

Our friend Boora was sucked in and trained under Stacey-Hibbert's tutelage .... he was able to get his apprenticeship done through Hibbert's connections ....

He apparently is the one who managed to manufacture the degrees for AW and Stoneking ... through his friendship with Stacey-Hibbert with very little effort on their parts.

Stoneking proudly promotes the SEU degree signed by Stacey-Hibbert ... who at the time resided and ran the University from a London flat, above a bar.

Correct, and that claim is still on his website. Along with the other bogus degree from ICWBCS.


Doctor of Christian Philosophy in Christian Education - Institute for Christian Works Bible College and Seminary - South Carolina Campus
Doctor of Philosophy (PhD) in Divinity
Southern Eastern University
Administrative Address in the UK (SEU)
9 Unity Street, Bristol, BS1 5HH
Signed: John C. Stacey-Hibbert & Chairman (SEU)

[DAII]

http://seulcas.net/image_112.jpg

[Baron1710]

This is hilarious ... I had suspected this after communicating with Broegart ...

There are essentially two SEU diploma mills

.... one run by the the original founder, Dan Grimaldi, the Count ... probably targeting the French and Latin American communities and anyone else who will get duped

.... the British counterpart ... once run by Grimaldi ... now run by Stacey-Hibbert who has tried to legitimize it as much as possible through the legal organization he helped set up ... while both lay claim to the incorporation started in Arkansas.

Neither with any credible form of accreditation.

The deeper you go the worse it gets.

[DAII]

Grimaldi and Daniel have some links it seems to this Russian online university:

http://mufo.ru

Their names listed in these periodicals:
http://www.mufo.ru/downloads/Bulletin-No3.pdf
www.mufo.ru/pdf-files/Bulletin-No-4.pdf

[repconackd]

Grimaldi and Daniel have some links it seems to this Russian online university:

http://mufo.ru

Their names listed in this periodical:
http://www.mufo.ru/downloads/Bulletin-No3.pdf

Wow, Dan, didn't know you read Russian.

[DAII]

Wow, Dan, didn't know you read Russian.

Google can translate pages ...

[Baron1710]

Google can translate pages ...

Can it translate youtube?

Check out the picture on this youtube video at 1:26.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t2dN0jM-Rvs&feature=player_embedded

[Sabby]

ABsolutely right.

Even better, those that have Doctorates or some credential from SOME school, most often are not specific or concentrated in Christian Theology, Exegetical Teaching, Divinity, etc... It's usually either in the broad field of "religion" or "education," etc

PhD in chem engineering? Not sure the scope of this degree or how his degree makes his an expert in the matter. However, any educated man can surely have an opinion about Young Earth, New Earth Creationism, etc.

If it's the same Arlo M I remember he was an instructor at Conqueror's Bible College for several years circa 1970s.

[Justin]

It's sad because all of this information will probably fall on deaf ears as most people will not sort through all of the pages of this thread to properly understand it all. It needs to be summarized and made publicly available. Dan, don't you own www.apostolicidentity.com?

[DAII]

The deeper you go the worse it gets.

Yes, it gets worse ... Dr. Rodney Daniel is also the Minister of Information and Ambassador for the first internet nation ... the Dominion of Melchizedek.

http://www.melchizedek.com/images/sealsml.jpg

Source: http://www.melchizedek.com

The Dominion of Melchizedek (mal-khay-tzed-ek) is a recognized ecclesiastical and constitutional sovereignty. As a rapidly expanding, post-modern state, the Dominion's activities are governmental, spiritual, political, educational and humanitarian. References are made to Melchizedek's eternal sovereignty throughout Hebrew and Christian Holy Writ. All monotheistic religions spring from the blessing Old Testament Abraham received from Melchizedek, the righteous king of peace and history's first monotheistic teacher of God, the Most High.

Due to the fact that information about Melchizedek was almost exclusively and early found on the Internet, the Dominion was declared by NBC News to be the first nation on the Internet.

You will find this SEU conspirator listed as a government minister here:
http://www.melchizedek.com/government_ministers.htm

An ambassador here:
http://www.melchizedek.com/ambassadors.htm

How and why a supposed Apostolic holiness evangelist and prophet like Stoneking continues to unabashedly continue links to this nefarious and eccentric operation is baffling .... to say the least.

Claiming a theological degree from them, no less ... and one time ... an adjunct professorship.

[Timmy]

Yes, it gets worse ... Dr. Rodney Daniel is also the Minister of Information for the first internet nation ... the Dominion of Melchizedek.

http://www.melchizedek.com/images/sealsml.jpg

Source: http://www.melchizedek.com



You will find this SEU conspirator listed as a government minister here:
http://www.melchizedek.com/government_ministers.htm

How and why a supposed Apostolic holiness evangelist and prophet like Stoneking continues to unabashedly continue links to this nefarious and eccentric operation is baffling .... to say the least.

Claiming a theological degree from them, no less ... and one time ... an adjunct professorship.

lol

http://www.quatloos.com/groups/melchiz.htm

[DAII]

lol

http://www.quatloos.com/groups/melchiz.htm

Look ... we've all be conned ... in one way or another ... and Lee is well into his 70's now ...

The spin and talking point on this .... is easy .... " I'm an elderly man who got conned by some close associates/ministerial peers" and be done with it ...

but to still prominently display a doctorate degree, and at one time a professorship, from an Arkansas incorporation that was set up to scam people worldwide ... is downright PATHETIC.

[DAII]

lol

http://www.quatloos.com/groups/melchiz.htm

More on this criminal fraud scheme:

http://www.geocities.com/partizansofinternet/antimelchizedeken.html

[pelathais]

Grimaldi and Daniel have some links it seems to this Russian online university:

http://mufo.ru

Their names listed in these periodicals:
http://www.mufo.ru/downloads/Bulletin-No3.pdf
www.mufo.ru/pdf-files/Bulletin-No-4.pdf

Wow, Dan, didn't know you read Russian.

From the "mufo.ru" link:

Registered Masters and Doctors List in 2007 International University of Fundamental Studies Full Accredited and Registered Post Graduation Degree/Honour Holders in 2007 Registered Post Graduate Honour
Holders in 2007 ...

77. Daniel Grimaldi (France), Doctor of Science in Humanities, DANo.071238

...


That looks like English to me.

[pelathais]

If it's the same Arlo M I remember he was an instructor at Conqueror's Bible College for several years circa 1970s.

Yes. He moved on to Gateway for a number of years before moving out to CLC.

And his Chem. Engineering degree is legit. University of Missouri, I think.

[pelathais]

lol

http://www.quatloos.com/groups/melchiz.htm

They're selling "bank licenses" for "tens of thousands of dollars???"

Tim-tim! We missed our calling! LOL.

[DAII]

Good to see JR Ensey supporting Kal Boora's ministry .... in his November 2010 blog:

New books on baptism in the name of Jesus!

Apostolic (Acts 2:38) and Post-Apostolic (Matthew 28:19) Baptism Vol I & II

New research by Kulwant Singh Boora, a British Apostolic Oneness writer, is sparking new interest in biblical baptism among traditional Christians. Volume I and Volume II are off the press and ready for you to order. These books contain research that you have probably never seen on the message we hold dear to our hearts. He confirms that baptism was performed only in the name of Jesus in the early church. He also shows that it was embraced by many groups and theologians throughout the post-Apostolic period and the Middle Ages. You will appreciate the research that he shares in these volumes that decimates the trinitarian formula for water baptism. They will be a positive edition to your library. Quantity limited. Order today. AM price only 19.95 for each volume.

[DAII]

Boora in a recent "apostolic" interview has dropped any links to studying theology at SEU or his prominent doctorates with the "Institute" ...

This was after the SEU thread ...

Q: Mr. Boora, as a leading British/European Apostolic author, scholar and writer–who is also an expert on Indian religions growing up in a Sikh Indian family. Tell me about your new books: Apostolic (Acts2:38) and Post-Apostolic Baptism (28:19) volumes 1 and 2?

A: Well, I studied theology and biblical interpretation some years ago with the renowned University of Wales through Kings Evangelical Divinity School. While studying theology, I studied a subject that touched on Apostolic theology, so to speak.

It was this that spring-boarded me to research the subject of baptism in Jesus name in more detail. While researching, it made me realize that Apostolics have commonly quoted the Encyclopedia Britannica and Hasting Dictionary to name a few, for support of baptism in Jesus name. But these were merely top surface materials on the subject, since the greater depth and facts lay uncovered for decades in a theological and historical sense, with the exception of the New Testament of course.
These books cite hundreds of citations that show baptism in Jesus name was performed throughout the ages since the Early Church to the present time. Most of these citations are unheard of in Apostolic circles or resources due to it being researched in Europe instead of United States.

Q: Can you give an example of your research and scholarship?

http://apostolicrestoration.blogspot.com/


Good to know Ensey is promoting the work of a career doctoral impostor ....

A: I would have to say, that to learn more about the published works, about volumes 1 and 2 can be obtained directly from the publisher Xlibris at the following website: http://www2.xlibris.com/bookstore/author.aspx?authorid=58258 Or they can contact the Apostolic School of Theology directly and speak with them regarding my work that is being used for university level courses as recommended reading texts for students

[DAII]

It does not surprise me if Boora's scholarship in his new baptism book promoted by the Enseyites be wrought with cropped misquotations and faulty conclusions ... if this recent interview is any indication of the patchwork scholarshop that besets Apostolica :

Boora in his August 2010 interview -

Q: Can you give an example of your research and scholarship?

A: Yes, for example, The New Testament of Our Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ in The Original Greek[1] 1860 A.D., notes the following:
“He that is baptized in the Name of Christ, is baptized in the Name of the Holy Trinity: for the Father and the Holy Spirit are inseparable from the Son. One person of the Holy Trinity does not exclude another but includes it…To be baptized in the Name of Jesus, is to be baptized in the Name of the Triune God, which could not be, unless Jesus Christ were God.”[2]

This foregoing quote recognizes the validity of baptism in the name of Jesus, since the author notes that Jesus is God and in His name is baptism invoked and performed, since in His name (Jesus) includes Father and Holy Ghost, therefore the validity of baptism in the name of Jesus is evident from the above quote. The quote also notes that during that period of time baptism in the name of Jesus flourished, hence the reference to it.

Well let's look at the entire quote by Christopher Wadsworth ... mis-attributed to a Charles Wodsworth by the author ... and perhaps Boora himself:

http://lh5.ggpht.com/_rjZMUSTyomU/TNNNtwfGQdI/AAAAAAAAAtc/gWXz85eFG5U/booramisquote1.png

Notice parts conspicuously missing or cropped in quote 1 to the actual Wodsworth quote while omitting unfavorable language and context?

This Augustine sourced quote in its totality no doubt affirms Wodsworth belief in three persons in the Godhead and that being in baptized in the name of Christ is in effect being baptized in the Trinity but in no way is supporting a historical view affirming the validity of Jesus name baptism.

Nor does it express necessary invocation .... nor does it show that Jesus name baptism flourished during that time or any time?

Notice Wodsworth, a paedobaptist not supporting immersion ... later in his commentary???


Here Wodsworth sources another piece authored by Augustine where he affirms baptism in the Trinity used by the 12 Apostles and their successors ... and a reference to the belief that they would be baptized or let down three times (page 52)


http://lh3.ggpht.com/_rjZMUSTyomU/TNNNtzKsqcI/AAAAAAAAAtg/QXxlmnPNHQw/wodsworth1.png

Here Wodsworth affirms the belief of a Triune baptism conferring grace (page 92):

http://lh5.ggpht.com/_rjZMUSTyomU/TNNNuHaFPkI/AAAAAAAAAtk/Q8W_h4qMDu0/wodsworth2.png


I am tempted to buy this Ensey sponsored book ... just to see what other adulterations are present.

If Boora can use Wodsworth as part of a montage of quotes to conclude:

"Therefore, the United Kingdom was home to baptism in the name of Jesus for centuries." ....

Then color me an atheist and a theological doctor myself.

Source: The New Testament of our Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ: in the ..., Volume 2 By Christopher Wordsworth

http://books.google.com/books?id=RuIPAAAAYAAJ&printsec=frontcover&dq=christopher+Wordsworth.+baptism&source=bl&ots=Ynjz1Gq6Xu&sig=MaBKNxNjhLfUnPtg-7DGODQM-t8&hl=en&ei=i0XTTOGuO4P6lwf_gOmmDg&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=9&ved=0CDsQ6AEwCDgK#v=onepage&q=baptism%20trinity&f=false

[Hoovie]

DA, this quote is quite interesting I think - certainly not what one expects from traditional Trinitarians today.

“He that is baptized in the Name of Christ, is baptized in the Name of the Holy Trinity: for the Father and the Holy Spirit are inseparable from the Son. One person of the Holy Trinity does not exclude another but includes it…To be baptized in the Name of Jesus, is to be baptized in the Name of the Triune God, which could not be, unless Jesus Christ were God.”


I totally agree Boora's conclusion is bizarre though...

"Therefore, the United Kingdom was home to baptism in the name of Jesus for centuries."

[Justin]

It's sad because all of this information will probably fall on deaf ears as most people will not sort through all of the pages of this thread to properly understand it all. It needs to be summarized and made publicly available. Dan, don't you own www.apostolicidentity.com?

bump.

[pelathais]

Boora in a recent "apostolic" interview has dropped any links to studying theology at SEU or his prominent doctorates with the "Institute" ...

...
Q: Can you give an example of your research and scholarship?

http://apostolicrestoration.blogspot.com/


Good to know Ensey is promoting the work of a career doctoral impostor ....

I've read Boora's books and his "research" is a laugh. He even utilizes the old canard about the settler's on Billy's Island in the Okefenokee Swamp being "persecuted Oneness Apostolics."

They were not "persecuted" in any way. They just liked to live in out and away from a lot of people and development. Also, they would be more accurately compared to "Baptist" in their beliefs and practice.

The church at Fort Mudge is called the "Pilgrim's Hope," possibly because the pilgrims who worship at this shrine are always hoping for many things which they never get. As a specimen of modern architecture it can scarcely be called imposing. Its ventilation is perfect, and is attained by the means of large cracks through the log walls. Indeed, the entire house is constructed of logs, with abundance of space between them for fresh air and for viewing the surrounding country. We found some fifty or more pilgrims assembled, and two preachers favored us with discourses - the Rev. Richard Lee and Rev. Moses Thrift. If the faith of these pilgrims be measured by the time they spend at their devotions, they all deserve a high place, for services commenced at a little before twelve and wound up a little after four. Each of the ministers opened by saying he had preached out and had nothing to say; yet each occupied about two hours to get rid of that nothing.

The Rev. Moses Thrift devoted a considerable portion of his time to the matters of "Infant Baptism" and "Sunday schools." These he denounced vigorously and warmly. He had the orthodox Baptist drawl at the end of every two or three words, which was doubtless very pleasant to the brethren, but which made his utterances so indistinct that I could understand but a very small part of what he said.

The men and women were separated during the services, and everything was conducted in a very democratic way. Men, women and children would go out and return as often as they desired, the sleepy slept, and the thirsty made repeated trips to the water bucket. Generally, however, the behavior of the congregation was devout, and there were beyond doubt many good people present. [But] the exercises were entirely too long and wearied out everybody.

Howell Cobb Jackson, Atlanta Journal, 1890

Fort Mudge, Georgia is on the northern shore of the Okefenokee Swamp and Rev. Richard Lee was a relation to Daniel Lee, the noted "squatter" on Billy's Island in the swamp.

You won't find the word's "Jesus name baptism" or "received the Holy Ghost as evidenced by speaking in other tongues" or the term "Oneness" associated with any one in this region except in the writings of Oneness Apostolics. It is a plain invention.

Boora simply parrots this error. The doctoral level training he boasts of appears to have left him unable to perform any original research.

[pelathais]

"... speak with them regarding my work that is being used for university level courses as recommended reading texts for students..."

Boora


:ursofunny :ursofunny :ursofunny :ursofunny :ursofunny :ursofunny :ursofunny

[DAII]

"... speak with them regarding my work that is being used for university level courses as recommended reading texts for students..."

Boora


:ursofunny :ursofunny :ursofunny :ursofunny :ursofunny :ursofunny :ursofunny

I chuckled too.

[PastorDaniel]

I can't believe I read the WHOLE thing! Wow...my head is swimming...accusation, betrayal, redemption...this has all the makings of a great movie!

[Timmy]

I can't believe I read the WHOLE thing! Wow...my head is swimming...accusation, betrayal, redemption...this has all the makings of a great movie!

Brad Pitt will play the part of "Timmy". :heeheehee

[Justin]

bump. Any updates?

Also, has anyone done a 1 or 2 paragraph summary?

[Justin]

We're coming up on the one year anniversary of this topic, any updates or is this dead in the water?

[Timmy]

We're coming up on the one year anniversary of this topic, any updates or is this dead in the water?

The latest is Brad Pitt will play the part of "Timmy". :D

[Justin]

This one has been around for 10 years!

http://www.instantdegrees.com/



Check out what the Terms of Service says:

The Client understands that any degree obtained through InstantDegrees.com will most probably come from an Institution outside the Client’s own Jurisdiction and that the Client cannot, in any circumstances, specify the actual Institution nor specific geographic location of any Institution.

http://www.instantdegrees.com/tos.html

[seguidordejesus]

This one has been around for 10 years!

http://www.instantdegrees.com/



Check out what the Terms of Service says:

The Client understands that any degree obtained through InstantDegrees.com will most probably come from an Institution outside the Client’s own Jurisdiction and that the Client cannot, in any circumstances, specify the actual Institution nor specific geographic location of any Institution.

http://www.instantdegrees.com/tos.html

ROFL!

[Trouvere]

okay I knocked myself for the last two years researching, studying and writing for a Master's and I could have just paid a few hundred bucks..lol....go figure.

The degree thing is one thing. Many Bible colleges and seminaries especially Apostolic are not accredited by a Regional accreditation board. Usually some just get it under a vocational accreditation and add their Bible degrees to it. It used to have to do with accepting the trinity doctrine or not. There are those who are getting accredited(finally) but its just recent. That is why you had to go to secular college and Bible college and the Bible college credits did not transfer.

Just look at this. How did I come upon this? I met a counselor who actually had a masters from Clemson but look at the ministers credentials they had.......

http://www.ordination4all.com/catalog.htm


Just think I could have had that reverend doctor title!


Incidentally do you guys know what those online schools are charging for an MBA? DeVry University charges almost 40,ooo.oo. I took a look at that and decided its easier to drive and sacrifice. I am 49 so in the next 15 years am I going to make enough to warrant paying them that???? I doubt it. Those places should have some kind of regulations on what they can charge. Its robbery.

[Timmy]

okay I knocked myself for the last two years researching, studying and writing for a Master's and I could have just paid a few hundred bucks..lol....go figure.

The degree thing is one thing. Many Bible colleges and seminaries especially Apostolic are not accredited by a Regional accreditation board. Usually some just get it under a vocational accreditation and add their Bible degrees to it. It used to have to do with accepting the trinity doctrine or not. There are those who are getting accredited(finally) but its just recent. That is why you had to go to secular college and Bible college and the Bible college credits did not transfer.

Just look at this. How did I come upon this? I met a counselor who actually had a masters from Clemson but look at the ministers credentials they had.......

http://www.ordination4all.com/catalog.htm


Just think I could have had that reverend doctor title!


Incidentally do you guys know what those online schools are charging for an MBA? DeVry University charges almost 40,ooo.oo. I took a look at that and decided its easier to drive and sacrifice. I am 49 so in the next 15 years am I going to make enough to warrant paying them that???? I doubt it. Those places should have some kind of regulations on what they can charge. Its robbery.

How could you afford all the gold and diamonds in your sig line? :lol

[Trouvere]

all the tithes I get Tim lol

[Timmy]

all the tithes I get Tim lol

:thumbsup

[Praxeas]

Just look at this. How did I come upon this? I met a counselor who actually had a masters from Clemson but look at the ministers credentials they had.......

http://www.ordination4all.com/catalog.htm


Just think I could have had that reverend doctor title!

.
That's just ordination. Not the same thing as having a degree.

As far as degrees go..we aren't talking about the Law or Chemestry..you don't need trig or calculus..

I believe many ministers just want the title to back up what they've already learned over the course of several years in practical application or self study. Call it a pride thing but in this day and age when people decide they'd rather go to a church down the street where "Dr Paul" is teaching, in order to compete you'll need to be both educated in biblical matters and have that title

Some people actually get a more indepth education which includes other topics such as languages, history and textual criticism. Unless you plan on being published in a major periodicals, teaching at Universities,translating your own bible and or publishing books...getting an extended Seminary education might just seem like a waste of time to many

Consider also that a full time Pastor has little time to go to a seminary full time for 10 years

[Justin]

This one has been around for 10 years!

http://www.instantdegrees.com/



Check out what the Terms of Service says:

The Client understands that any degree obtained through InstantDegrees.com will most probably come from an Institution outside the Client’s own Jurisdiction and that the Client cannot, in any circumstances, specify the actual Institution nor specific geographic location of any Institution.

http://www.instantdegrees.com/tos.html

If I had an extra 200$ sitting around, I'd get my doctorate degree.

[Hoovie]

Hey, They are looking our way!

University of Pennsylvania Dean Faked PhD

The University of Pennsylvania is keeping mum on the resignation of a dean of its graduate school, who duped the Ivy League school into believing he had a doctoral degree from Columbia University.
A report this week by the Philadelphia Inquirer raised questions about the pedigree of Doug Lynch, vice dean of the graduate school of education, who claimed to have received a master's degree and a doctorate from Columbia University in 2005 and 2007, respectively.

http://news.yahoo.com/university-pennsylvania-dean-faked-phd-173731687--abc-news-topstories.html

[houston]

Wow.

[CC1]

I personally know a guy who is brilliant but only has a High School education. A few years ago he saw a job application for some type of engineer. It was an area he had an interest in and read up on it. He applied and out of many candidates had the best test scores. He lied about having a degree and got the job. He self studied and excelled at the job itself.

A few years went by and I wondered what had happened to him. When I inquired to a mutual friend I found out he had started his own engineering consulting company and traveled the world as a highly sought after engineer! He married a fellow engineer who apparently has no idea her husband is a total fraud and has no college degree and all of his engineering skills are self learned. While visiting out of state a few years ago I ran into them and met the wife.

[houston]

It's like that Leo movie.

[Cindy]

Inquiring minds want to know what if there is anything new going on with SEU?

[Justin]

Inquiring minds want to know what if there is anything new going on with SEU?

According to Lee Stoneking's website... he's still claiming his Docorate from SEU:

Degrees:

Bachelor of Theology in Apostolic Studies
Apostolic Bible College - St. Paul, Minnesota
Doctor of Christian Philosophy in Christian Education - Institute for Christian Works Bible College and Seminary - South Carolina Campus
Doctor of Philosophy (PhD) in Divinity
Southern Eastern University
Administrative Address in the UK (SEU)
9 Unity Street, Bristol, BS1 5HH
Signed: John C. Stacey-Hibbert & Chairman (SEU)

[Timmy]

According to Lee Stoneking's website... he's still claiming his Docorate from SEU:

Degrees:

Bachelor of Theology in Apostolic Studies
Apostolic Bible College - St. Paul, Minnesota
Doctor of Christian Philosophy in Christian Education - Institute for Christian Works Bible College and Seminary - South Carolina Campus
Doctor of Philosophy (PhD) in Divinity
Southern Eastern University
Administrative Address in the UK (SEU)
9 Unity Street, Bristol, BS1 5HH
Signed: John C. Stacey-Hibbert & Chairman (SEU)

He added that last line during the lifespan of this thread, as I recall. Almost as if to say "hey, AFF, this is for real!" :lol

[Cindy]

He added that last line during the lifespan of this thread, as I recall. Almost as if to say "hey, AFF, this is for real!" :lol

:toofunny

He's looking our way!!!!!!!

[AreYouReady?]

Do they teach HMH at SEU?

[Cindy]

Do they teach HMH at SEU?

No, they just sell fake degrees.

[AreYouReady?]

No, they just sell fake degrees.

....and LS boasts his degree from there? For real???

:ursofunny

[Cindy]

....and LS boasts his degree from there? For real???

:ursofunny

http://www.apostolicfriendsforum.com/showpost.php?p=933235&postcount=14

[AreYouReady?]

OMW !!!

:ursofunny.

How can LS be taken seriously?

[Cindy]

OMW !!!

:ursofunny.

How can LS be taken seriously?

Yep, sad isn't it?

[Fiyahstarter]

Cindy,

It's not like you to stir the pot!!! :stirpot

(Nice job! LOL)

[Cindy]

Cindy,

It's not like you to stir the pot!!! :stirpot

(Nice job! LOL)

:bubble

[AreYouReady?]

:heeheehee