Whaaaaaaatt???? What's happening in Canada??

[Stephanas]

From the looks of the Canadian dollar Canada is doing a pretty good job standing on it's own.The US on the other hand.... well

The Canadian loon is close to achieving parity with the US dollar for the first time since November of 1976. Did you get that? For thirty years Canadian dollars and Pesos couldn't buy a "drab" American dollar.

We can make it clear with a single question. If you are to be a given a bond with a twenty year maturity date. Do you want it in US dollars or Canadian loons?

[Rachel]

Facts, friend, nothing but facts.

*grin*

[Stephanas]

Hmmmmmm and I thought all along the US was the world leader in moral decay but eh I could be wrong!

Canada has same sex marriage.


The Liberals' controversial same-sex marriage legislation has passed final reading in the House of Commons, sailing through in a 158-133 vote.
Supported by most members of the Liberals, the Bloc Québécois and the NDP, the legislation passed easily, making Canada only the third country in the world, after the Netherlands and Belgium, to officially recognize same-sex marriage.
But the passage of Bill C-38, once again, came with a political price tag for the government. Joe Comuzzi, resigned from the cabinet so he could vote against the bill – an open rebuke of the government legislation.


The USA has the Defense of Marriage Act


The first section states that for purposes of federal law, marriage means a legal union between a man and a woman:
In determining the meaning of any Act of Congress, or of any ruling, regulation, or interpretation of the various administrative bureaus and agencies of the United States, the word "marriage" means only a legal union between one man and one woman as husband and wife, and the word "spouse" refers only to a person of the opposite sex who is a husband or a wife.

[Stephanas]

Here's a thought for our US buddy - unreal that this still is happening in the US of A today. Move over Jim Crow, Stephanas is lining up beside you. Nice prosecutor! What's up with blacks having to ask permission to meet under the "whites" oak tree? Great to see civil rights progress in action! Got to love the deadly weapon these kids are charged with using - tennis shoes - ROTFL. Then the attempted murderee was at a school function that evening. This makes the US a laughingstock in the modern world.
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/20218937/site/newsweek/
http://www.guardian.co.uk/worldlatest/story/0,,-6936088,00.html


Racism is not an American problem. Racism is a human problem. Why don't you Google Amnesty International's view of Canada's treatment of its indigenous people. Do you want me to find links for disgraceful examples of racism in Canada and post them here? Would that prove anything other than humans are sinners?

[Maple Leaf]

I understand the moral and ethical objections behind abortion and embryonic stem cell research. Abortion, unfortunately, is going to happen - right or wrong, legal or not. I think it's possible to use the cells and retain credibility - it's more than likely a fine line.. But I would, with the science background, rather use the cells for good instead of just discarding them. Not only is it a disregard for human life but a complete waste not once, but twice.


Thanks for a thought provoking post.

I would like to separate consideration of stem cells harvested from aborted fetuses and those obtained from discarded embryos that are left over from fertility clinics (Test tube babies for want of a better shorthand description).

From my perspective, abortion is Canada's greatest crime, an affront to our shared humanity. It is morally and spiritually repugnant to murder an unborn child in the sanctuary of its mother's womb. I have no doubt that you share my conviction that abortion is absolutely wrong. Our ethical discussion is not focused on the abortion debate, but on the use of aborted fetuses for the benefit of science, and ultimately for the benefit of those suffering from diseases that may be cured by stem cell therapy.

While sympathizing with your view, I do have some serious reservations with the use of stem cells from aborted babies for scientific or therapeutic purposes.

You say, quite logically, "But I would, with the science background, rather use the cells for good instead of just discarding them. Not only is it a disregard for human life but a complete waste not once, but twice." I would counter with the assertion that turning the tiny corpses of these slaughtered babies into a supply line for laboratories continues the disregard for human life that was begun in the abortionist's clinic. I have difficulty seeing research as the redemption of a tragic death, and am more inclined to see it as a second indignity upon a human body.

In what way is using the stem cells from aborted babies different than using the bodies of the victims of history's genocides for scientific research? I don't think that we would endorse the use of the Holocaust's victims for scientific research. Why would aborted babies be afforded less respect?

Perhaps it is impossible to discuss the ethics of stem cell research using the bodies of aborted babies apart from the discussion of the nature of abortion. The point of contention between the secular perspective and the spiritual perspective is centered on the description of the aborted fetus. If the aborted fetus is a collection of cells with the potential of becoming a human being, then our ethical perspective will be much different than if we view the aborted fetus as a human being.

Again, thanks for introducing a thought provoking topic, and I apologize for any emotionally charged language in my post. (I'm a preacher. I can't help it.)

[TRIPLE E]

Facts, friend, nothing but facts.

I don't know where you get your "facts" but I suppose you are probably among the certain percentage of your population that believe we have snow all year long in Canada and we all live in igloos. lol

[TRIPLE E]

While sympathizing with your view, I do have some serious reservations with the use of stem cells from aborted babies for scientific or therapeutic purposes.

You say, quite logically, "But I would, with the science background, rather use the cells for good instead of just discarding them. Not only is it a disregard for human life but a complete waste not once, but twice." I would counter with the assertion that turning the tiny corpses of these slaughtered babies into a supply line for laboratories continues the disregard for human life that was begun in the abortionist's clinic. I have difficulty seeing research as the redemption of a tragic death, and am more inclined to see it as a second indignity upon a human body.

In what way is using the stem cells from aborted babies different than using the bodies of the victims of history's genocides for scientific research? I don't think that we would endorse the use of the Holocaust's victims for scientific research. Why would aborted babies be afforded less respect?

Perhaps it is impossible to discuss the ethics of stem cell research using the bodies of aborted babies apart from the discussion of the nature of abortion. The point of contention between the secular perspective and the spiritual perspective is centered on the description of the aborted fetus. If the aborted fetus is a collection of cells with the potential of becoming a human being, then our ethical perspective will be much different than if we view the aborted fetus as a human being.



Very thought provoking subject ,I feel the same way as you ML on this subject.

[Maple Leaf]

I understand the moral and ethical objections behind abortion and embryonic stem cell research. Abortion, unfortunately, is going to happen - right or wrong, legal or not. I think it's possible to use the cells and retain credibility - it's more than likely a fine line.. But I would, with the science background, rather use the cells for good instead of just discarding them. Not only is it a disregard for human life but a complete waste not once, but twice.

These are definitely hard questions but since they will be discarded, why not advocate for some good to come out of it? Maybe it does seem a bit contradictory but to just allow for the embryos to be discarded is not helping the declaration of sanctity of life. Perhaps some might argue it's the lesser of two evils .. for the embryos to be casually produced to begin with and then discarded. They will be made, they will be discarded - it's not right that they produced in numbers where many of them will sit unused but full of potential and then discarded years later but it's going to happen. We won't stop that - but I'm just advocating some good to come out of it, although highly unlikely with the legalities involved with embryos.

The second issue and one that I find intriguing is the use of embryos produced for in vitro fertilization that are slated to be discarded.

I guess that the first issue we would have to resolve is our view of these embryos. Do we regard them as human beings, or as something less than a human being. Does artificially produced conception that occurs outside of the womb produce a life that we must defend as sacred. The answer to this question will form our view of the use of these embryos for stem cell research.

I think that one issue that would differentiate this debate from the discussion of the use of aborted fetuses is the very nature of the artificially produced embryo. The fetus in the womb is a viable life while the embryo in the test tube is not without direct intervention.

I think that we're going to need Rachel to bring us up to speed on the issues and ethics around this topic.

[TopDog]

After more than 100 years of Confederation Canada is still hiding behind the skirts of the Monarchy, too insecure to stand on its own.


Decades of leftist liberal governments have so decimated the Canadian military that Canada must leave the heavy lifting internationally to its neighbors.


An unrealistic socialistic medical system has overburdened tax payers who are forced to flee to the south for relief. Working Canadians are forced to provide free medical care to people too lazy to work.


Canada harbors a whole province of traitors and coddles them in the name of national unity. Quebec pipes the tune and Canada dances to it every time.


Canada is a world leader in moral decay, second only to Holland in its headlong rush for the sewers. Homosexuals have the right to marry and Christians have the right to be quiet about it.



And for the first time in thirty years Canada's dollar is almost equal to the American dollar, big deal!

Hmmmmm - interesting. You must BE a Canadian, because very few American's educational "reach" extends beyond knowledge about their own county and sheriff. :killinme:killinme:killinme:killinme:killinme

[BoredOutOfMyMind]

I don't know where you get your "facts" but I suppose you are probably among the certain percentage of your population that believe we have snow all year long in Canada and we all live in igloos. lol

The Greenhouse gasses from the US Industrial Complex have warmed the Earth to where they now are actually selling Eskimos Freezers!


I was skeptical at first myself until I read it

Here (http://www.nature.org/tncscience/features/art22395.html)

:hmmm

[TRIPLE E]

Hmmmmm - interesting. You must BE a Canadian, because very few American's educational "reach" extends beyond knowledge about their own county and sheriff. :killinme:killinme:killinme:killinme:killinme



That's what I was thinking! I think we Canadians probably know more about the americans than they do about themselves! JMHO of course!

[TRIPLE E]

The Greenhouse gasses from the US Industrial Complex have warmed the Earth to where they now are actually selling Eskimos Freezers!


I was skeptical at first myself until I read it

Here (http://www.nature.org/tncscience/features/art22395.html)

:hmmm

Another good reason to celebrate America!

[Stephanas]

Hmmmmm - interesting. You must BE a Canadian, because very few American's educational "reach" extends beyond knowledge about their own county and sheriff. :killinme:killinme:killinme:killinme:killinme

That's what I was thinking! I think we Canadians probably know more about the americans than they do about themselves! JMHO of course!


Very funny. I haven't met too many Canadians that understood their own political system let alone that knew anything about the American political system. Why don't one of you educated Canadians explain the major differences between the American and Canadian systems of government.

[TRIPLE E]

Very funny. I haven't met too many Canadians that understood their own political system let alone that knew anything about the American political system. Why don't one of you educated Canadians explain the major differences between the American and Canadian systems of government.

I won't elaborate on the differences but they do have one similarity,once they are voted in they very seldom listen to the voice of the people who put them in office.

[Maple Leaf]

The Canadian Head of State is Her Majesty Queen Elizabeth ll

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/0/01/Queen_of_canada_wob.jpg

The American Head of State is George Bush ll

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/d/d4/George-W-Bush.jpeg/453px-George-W-Bush.jpeg

I think that that pretty much says it all!

[TRIPLE E]

The Canadian Head of State is Her Majesty Queen Elizabeth ll

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/0/01/Queen_of_canada_wob.jpg

The American Head of State is George Bush ll

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/d/d4/George-W-Bush.jpeg/453px-George-W-Bush.jpeg

I think that that pretty much says it all!

I seen a birthday card the other day with Bush's picture on it. Inside the card it said "Every party needs its own clown" Thought it was cute.

See the pic of Her Her Majesty makes me want to break forth into singing "God save the Queen"

[Maple Leaf]

I seen a birthday card the other day with Bush's picture on it. Inside the card it said "Every party needs its own clown" Thought it was cute.

See the pic of Her Her Majesty makes me want to break forth into singing "God save the Queen"

AwziS2aE6Ww

[StillStanding]

The Canadian Head of State is Her Majesty Queen Elizabeth ll

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/0/01/Queen_of_canada_wob.jpg

The American Head of State is George Bush ll

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/d/d4/George-W-Bush.jpeg/453px-George-W-Bush.jpeg

I think that that pretty much says it all!

Our Head of State can beat up your Head of State! :) (I think!:D)

[TRIPLE E]

The Canadian Head of State is Her Majesty Queen Elizabeth ll

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/0/01/Queen_of_canada_wob.jpg

The American Head of State is George Bush ll

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/d/d4/George-W-Bush.jpeg/453px-George-W-Bush.jpeg

I think that that pretty much says it all!

I seen a birthday card the other day with Bush's picture on it. Inside the card it said "Every party needs its own clown" Thought it was cute.

See the pic of Her Her Majesty makes me want to break forth into singing "God save the Queen"

[Felicity]

Great pic of GB! :thumbsup

[Felicity]

As for the Queen, I've wished for years she'd get a more updated modern look. She looks so frumpy and old fashioned imo.

[BoredOutOfMyMind]

I seen a birthday card the other day with Bush's picture on it. Inside the card it said "Every party needs its own clown" Thought it was cute.

See the pic of Her Her Majesty makes me want to break forth into singing "God save the Queen"

The man instilled some integrity back to 1600 Pennsylvania Ave- don't you think your jab is unfair?

I don't agree with US in Iraq, but I am convinced scripture says to pray for the man.

:prayer

[Stephanas]

AwziS2aE6Ww

May we say that point one has been proven?

After more than 100 years of Confederation Canada is still hiding behind the skirts of the Monarchy, too insecure to stand on its own.

On to point number two. Nobody wants to talk about the incredible burden that the public health care system puts on the backs of working Canadians.

An unrealistic socialistic medical system has overburdened tax payers who are forced to flee to the south for relief. Working Canadians are forced to provide free medical care to people too lazy to work.

[The Senator]

As for the Queen, I've wished for years she'd get a more updated modern look. She looks so frumpy and old fashioned imo.

At eighty years of age, Our Queen, Her Royal Majesty Queen Elizabeth ll is one of the classiest women I've ever seen. I'm glad that she hasn't adopted the persona of a twenty first century plastic celebrity.

http://www.canadianheritage.gc.ca/progs/cpsc-ccsp/images/royal_queen.jpg

[Felicity]

You can be classy but look more modern. Like some of the U.S. Presidents' wives. Like Laura Bush for example. And like some of the other heads of state wives.

[The Senator]

You can be classy but look more modern. Like some of the U.S. Presidents' wives. Like Laura Bush for example. And like some of the other heads of state wives.

I fail to see how Laura Bush looks any more modern, or less frumpish, than our Queen.

http://graphics8.nytimes.com/images/2007/05/07/us/07queen.600.jpg

[TRIPLE E]

At eighty years of age, Our Queen, Her Royal Majesty Queen Elizabeth ll is one of the classiest women I've ever seen. I'm glad that she hasn't adopted the persona of a twenty first century plastic celebrity.

http://www.canadianheritage.gc.ca/progs/cpsc-ccsp/images/royal_queen.jpg

I have to agree with you Senator ,I'm sure the new generation of Royals will look modern enough I'm glad the Queen has kept her look it kind of connects us more with the past-once again "God save the Queen!"

[TRIPLE E]

I fail to see how Laura Bush looks any more modern, or less frumpish, than our Queen.

http://graphics8.nytimes.com/images/2007/05/07/us/07queen.600.jpg

Beautiful pic of the Queen and Duke. I agree with your above statement also.

[TRIPLE E]

On another note I received my Forward today and if the survey is any indication in the way the vote will be cast at GC I think we can safely say there will beno change in Mother Ship as far as TV goes this time round.

[ALVIN]

I fail to see how Laura Bush looks any more modern, or less frumpish, than our Queen.

http://graphics8.nytimes.com/images/2007/05/07/us/07queen.600.jpg

The big question is: Who arranged the death of Princess Diana? Was it the iron lady or her smiling sidekick?

[Destiny2]

I love our Queen just the way she is,she has never given me cause to be ashamed of her.May God Bless her!!Just my two cents worth.

[ALVIN]

I love our Queen just the way she is,she has never given me cause to be ashamed of her.May God Bless her!!Just my two cents worth.

So, are you looking forward to having Charles and Camilla on your coins?

http://www.cnn.com/interactive/world/0504/gallery.royal.wedding/02.01.charles.camilla.ap.jpg

[TRIPLE E]

The big question is: Who arranged the death of Princess Diana? Was it the iron lady or her smiling sidekick?

Al you soundin more American all the time-everything's a big conspiracy!

[TRIPLE E]

So, are you looking forward to having Charles and Camilla on your coins?

http://www.cnn.com/interactive/world/0504/gallery.royal.wedding/02.01.charles.camilla.ap.jpg

I wonder if Camilla is related to the Adam's family.I think we should get Princess Di on some of our coins.

[originalsecretplace]

I love our Queen just the way she is,she has never given me cause to be ashamed of her.May God Bless her!!Just my two cents worth.

I just saw the movie "the Queen". Got me to thinking about her. Her life is really not her own. She has always seem to me to have the attitude that she's there to serve.

I've always admired her.

She seems to have the idea that she is a symbol of something greater than herself personally and conducts herself in a manner that would not bring shame or dishonour to her office. I was thinking that if we as Christians should remember who we are and that we represent something greater than ourselves and conduct ourselves accordingly also.

[originalsecretplace]

I wonder if Camilla is related to the Adam's family.I think we should get Princess Di on some of our coins.

Did you see the wedding. Gotta LOVE those "hats".

:killinme

[originalsecretplace]

I wonder if Camilla is related to the Adam's family.I think we should get Princess Di on some of our coins.

personally, I don't think Princess Di derserves to be on our coins....

:sshhh

[ALVIN]

Al you soundin more American all the time-everything's a big conspiracy!

So, you believe that Buckingham Palace was going to let the mother of the future King marry a Muslim man, and/or potentially mother Muslim half brothers or sisters to the future King of England?

[Destiny2]

So, are you looking forward to having Charles and Camilla on your coins?

http://www.cnn.com/interactive/world/0504/gallery.royal.wedding/02.01.charles.camilla.ap.jpg

God forbid!The same goes for her grandsons.

[The Senator]

I just saw the movie "the Queen". Got me to thinking about her. Her life is really not her own. She has always seem to me to have the attitude that she's there to serve.

I've always admired her.

She seems to have the idea that she is a symbol of something greater than herself personally and conducts herself in a manner that would not bring shame or dishonour to her office. I was thinking that if we as Christians should remember who we are and that we represent something greater than ourselves and conduct ourselves accordingly also.

Amen. She is to be admired for her devotion to her role and her subjects.

[The Senator]

The big question is: Who arranged the death of Princess Diana? Was it the iron lady or her smiling sidekick?

Silliness. Diana's own choice in lifestyle and company resulted in her untimely end. But, if I had to choose I'd put my money on the smiling sidekick. He sure seems like a cold fish to me.

[TRIPLE E]

Amen. She is to be admired for her devotion to her role and her subjects.

So very true!

[TRIPLE E]

So, you believe that Buckingham Palace was going to let the mother of the future King marry a Muslim man, and/or potentially mother Muslim half brothers or sisters to the future King of England?

I'm just saying some things just happen it's called life.Not everything is a conspiracy! You're starting to sound like a Drama king!

[TRIPLE E]

God forbid!The same goes for her grandsons.

I agree with you Destiny on this .

[TRIPLE E]

Silliness. Diana's own choice in lifestyle and company resulted in her untimely end. But, if I had to choose I'd put my money on the smiling sidekick. He sure seems like a cold fish to me.

I have to agree with you on this one,its those smiley quiet sidekicks you need to look out for.

[Felicity]

I fail to see how Laura Bush looks any more modern, or less frumpish, than our Queen.

http://graphics8.nytimes.com/images/2007/05/07/us/07queen.600.jpgOh come on. She definitely needs a new do. Laura looks smart and "modern". :D

[The Senator]

Oh come on. She definitely needs a new do. Laura looks smart and "modern". :D

I certainly have no criticism for First Lady Bush, she is a very nice looking older lady, but she is very much upstaged by the Queen in that picture. Laura looks good. Her Majesty looks spectacular.

There is no greater offense against fashion than for an old dame to try to look like a young doll. The Queen's appearance is very befitting of her age and role, as is First Lady Bush's younger appearance.

[TRIPLE E]

I certainly have no criticism for First Lady Bush, she is a very nice looking older lady, but she is very much upstaged by the Queen in that picture. Laura looks good. Her Majesty looks spectacular.

There is no greater offense against fashion than for an old dame to try to look like a young doll. The Queen's appearance is very befitting of her age and role, as is First Lady Bush's younger appearance.


To me their appearance also reflects the societies also that they represent!

[Felicity]

I certainly have no criticism for First Lady Bush, she is a very nice looking older lady, but she is very much upstaged by the Queen in that picture. Laura looks good. Her Majesty looks spectacular.

There is no greater offense against fashion than for an old dame to try to look like a young doll. The Queen's appearance is very befitting of her age and role, as is First Lady Bush's younger appearance.She doesn't need to look like a young doll. She just needs a different hairstyle and a bit chic-er/trendiier wardrobe.

Think of Nancy Reagan. The Queen can never be her and doesn't need to be but she needs to update her "look" a bit.

:D

[The Senator]

She doesn't need to look like a young doll. She just needs a different hairstyle and a bit chic-er/trendiier wardrobe.

Think of Nancy Reagan. The Queen can never be her and doesn't need to be but she needs to update her "look" a bit.

:D

With all due respect to Nancy Reagan, she could learn more from the Queen about a fashionable look than she could teach Her Majesty. Nancy Reagan is undoubtedly a wonderful lady, but the Queen is, well, the Queen.

The Queen needs a makeover like the Sistine Chapel needs repainting.

http://www.whitehouse.gov/news/releases/2002/05/images/20020516-7_p17311-18-th-515h.jpg

[The Senator]

May we say that point one has been proven?

1. After more than 100 years of Confederation Canada is still hiding behind the skirts of the Monarchy, too insecure to stand on its own.

On to point number two. Nobody wants to talk about the incredible burden that the public health care system puts on the backs of working Canadians.

2. An unrealistic socialistic medical system has overburdened tax payers who are forced to flee to the south for relief. Working Canadians are forced to provide free medical care to people too lazy to work.

Canada's Financial House is in Order - Is the USA's?

Finance Minister Jim Flaherty in his November budget update projected the government will post a $7.2 billion surplus this year, and then a $7.3 billion surplus in the 2007-08 fiscal year beginning April 1.

Canada is on track to post its tenth annual budget surplus. A shrinking national debt is a reality in Canada, but an impossible dream in the USA. The reason why so many Americans are living on their credit cards is the example of their spendthrift government. While Canada has its financial house in order, the USA is spending its future generations into unimaginable debt.

[Maple Leaf]

Back to Bioethics

I have been trying to get up to a layman's level in understanding the issues surrounding stem cell research and cloning. I am presently in the Nursery Class, but hoping to graduate to the next level soon (The furniture here is way too small for me, and the other kids are looking at me kind of funny - Kinda like, "What's the old guy doing in our class?")

I have come to the conclusion that much of the discussion, from a spiritual/ethical perspective, revolves around our understanding of when a fertilized egg becomes a person, or, in Scriptural language, becomes a living soul. The answers to this question range from the Pope's perspective that a unique person is created and becomes a living soul at conception, to the view that a fetus only becomes a person at birth, or as some people of faith understand it, undergoes ensoulment at birth.

Between these two positions are a variety of assertions and understandings of when ensoulment takes place. Various points in the fetal development have been identified as the point when a embryo becomes a person. One that I found interesting was a position based on the Biblical premise that the life is in the blood, and so pointed to the point in development when blood first appears in the embryo (Approximately 20 days). Others point to the development of the brain, and with it self-awareness as the defining moment of personhood. Our answer to the question, "When does ensoulment take place," will shape our answer to the ethical questions that surround the use of discarded embryos for stem cell research.

Does anybody have any comment on the "life in the blood" position, or any general comment on the OT view of personhood. Some assert that Judaism held/holds birth as the moment of ensoulment, which opens a door to abortion for permissible cause. The "life in the blood" theory would allow for the use of embryos for research while disallowing abortion. The ensoulment at conception would, from a Christian perspective, disallow both abortion and the use of embryonic stem cells for research, and would demand that we view even the fertilized ovum as a living soul. If you have read to this point, you must be extremely bored or have some interest in this topic. If you do have an interest, why not share your thoughts; they can't be more elementary than mine.

[BoredOutOfMyMind]

Oh come on. She definitely needs a new do. Laura looks smart and "modern". :D

Modern as a la-z-boy recliner with that outfit!

<shudders>

[Stephanas]

Canada's Financial House is in Order - Is the USA's?



Canada is on track to post its tenth annual budget surplus. A shrinking national debt is a reality in Canada, but an impossible dream in the USA. The reason why so many Americans are living on their credit cards is the example of their spendthrift government. While Canada has its financial house in order, the USA is spending its future generations into unimaginable debt.

Budget Surplus is just political doublespeak for Excessive Taxation. The only reason that any government has a surplus is because they over taxed the tax payers.

[Rachel]

Bah.. Who wants to talk about bugets and taxations?

Sorry for the delay Maple. Hopefully you'll get a response today. I'm at work for the day and yesterday, we had a campus ministry barbecue (a great success by the way).

[Rachel]

Back to Bioethics
Does anybody have any comment on the "life in the blood" position, or any general comment on the OT view of personhood. Some assert that Judaism held/holds birth as the moment of ensoulment, which opens a door to abortion for permissible cause. The "life in the blood" theory would allow for the use of embryos for research while disallowing abortion. The ensoulment at conception would, from a Christian perspective, disallow both abortion and the use of embryonic stem cells for research, and would demand that we view even the fertilized ovum as a living soul. If you have read to this point, you must be extremely bored or have some interest in this topic. If you do have an interest, why not share your thoughts; they can't be more elementary than mine.

Just before I take off, I find the "life in the blood" position very interesting. I can't say as I am convinced because cells are already dividing prior to the appearance of blood. And if the embryo didn't consist of living cells, well, division wouldn't be occurring. Cells are the basic unit of life, the smallest unit that is capable of life function. The first time the fertilized egg divides - it's life (to me personally) because at the point, it starts to develop, to grow and will continue to grow and then differentiate.

I think we have to bring in the point of viability and potential too. Embryos created outside the womb - yes they have great potential BUT they will never be viable life until implanted. Even so, not all fertilized eggs are going to continue to develop because unless they implant, they'll never grow - whether embryos have been created through in vitro fertilization or not. So.. as far as embryos that sit in a lab grow, yes, I believe they should be treated with the utmost respect.

At some point, I'll probably share my actual full thoughts on the matter - not just points or opinions.. but yes, I believe in the sanctity of human life. And that as well, translates differently too.

[Barb]

Good morning Saints of the Most High!!

I pray you all have a blessed day and remain safe, in Jesus Name!!:canada

[TRIPLE E]

Back to Bioethics

I have been trying to get up to a layman's level in understanding the issues surrounding stem cell research and cloning. I am presently in the Nursery Class, but hoping to graduate to the next level soon (The furniture here is way too small for me, and the other kids are looking at me kind of funny - Kinda like, "What's the old guy doing in our class?")

I have come to the conclusion that much of the discussion, from a spiritual/ethical perspective, revolves around our understanding of when a fertilized egg becomes a person, or, in Scriptural language, becomes a living soul. The answers to this question range from the Pope's perspective that a unique person is created and becomes a living soul at conception, to the view that a fetus only becomes a person at birth, or as some people of faith understand it, undergoes ensoulment at birth.

Between these two positions are a variety of assertions and understandings of when ensoulment takes place. Various points in the fetal development have been identified as the point when a embryo becomes a person. One that I found interesting was a position based on the Biblical premise that the life is in the blood, and so pointed to the point in development when blood first appears in the embryo (Approximately 20 days). Others point to the development of the brain, and with it self-awareness as the defining moment of personhood. Our answer to the question, "When does ensoulment take place," will shape our answer to the ethical questions that surround the use of discarded embryos for stem cell research.

Does anybody have any comment on the "life in the blood" position, or any general comment on the OT view of personhood. Some assert that Judaism held/holds birth as the moment of ensoulment, which opens a door to abortion for permissible cause. The "life in the blood" theory would allow for the use of embryos for research while disallowing abortion. The ensoulment at conception would, from a Christian perspective, disallow both abortion and the use of embryonic stem cells for research, and would demand that we view even the fertilized ovum as a living soul. If you have read to this point, you must be extremely bored or have some interest in this topic. If you do have an interest, why not share your thoughts; they can't be more elementary than mine.

Just wondering if you are suggesting there can be the life without ensoulment?

[Truly Blessed]

Good morning Saints of the Most High!!

I pray you all have a blessed day and remain safe, in Jesus Name!!:canada
I know I'm "safe in Jesus"! It's being safe in my car on the streets of Surrey, BC that I'm concerned about. :)

[Barb]

I know I'm "safe in Jesus"! It's being safe in my car on the streets of Surrey, BC that I'm concerned about. :)

LOL!! "In Jesus Name" was the end of my prayer, Elder...

[Maple Leaf]

Just wondering if you are suggesting there can be the life without ensoulment?

Good question.

If life and ensoulment are synonymous, then I must look at a fertilized egg in a petri dish and declare it a living soul with all the eternal ramifications of that declaration.

I have taught that life begins at conception, and that, as Christians, we should value that life and hold it sacred. My point, in my earlier post, was to say that there are people of faith that disagree with that perspective.

I am quite dogmatic on the conception position until I look into the petri dish, and then I question whether implantation is a more valid marker. The problem with the implantation position is that it opens the door to methods of birth control with which I am not particularly comfortable.

Another interesting point that I came across is the fact that identical twins are not formed until the fertilized egg divides at approximately 14 days. If that is the case, do identical twins share a single soul, or do they receive their souls at conception or at the moment of separation?

The issues are quite complex, but I think that holding to the principle of the sanctity of human life as a guiding light will lead us to truth.

I can't wait until we move from stem cell research to euthanasia, the new frontier for Canada's looney left.

[Maple Leaf]

Just before I take off, I find the "life in the blood" position very interesting. I can't say as I am convinced because cells are already dividing prior to the appearance of blood. And if the embryo didn't consist of living cells, well, division wouldn't be occurring. Cells are the basic unit of life, the smallest unit that is capable of life function. The first time the fertilized egg divides - it's life (to me personally) because at the point, it starts to develop, to grow and will continue to grow and then differentiate.

I think we have to bring in the point of viability and potential too. Embryos created outside the womb - yes they have great potential BUT they will never be viable life until implanted. Even so, not all fertilized eggs are going to continue to develop because unless they implant, they'll never grow - whether embryos have been created through in vitro fertilization or not. So.. as far as embryos that sit in a lab grow, yes, I believe they should be treated with the utmost respect.

At some point, I'll probably share my actual full thoughts on the matter - not just points or opinions.. but yes, I believe in the sanctity of human life. And that as well, translates differently too.


Excellent.

I will be looking forward to your insights.

You're an example of why we need young people to pursue higher education. The Bible will guide us to answers, but, in this complex day, we need people to help us understand the questions.

[Maple Leaf]

Good morning Saints of the Most High!!

I pray you all have a blessed day and remain safe, in Jesus Name!!:canada

Good afternoon.

So, what do you think of the Queen's "look?"

I think that the only thing that needs updating is the prescription in somebody's bifocals.

[Barb]

Good afternoon.

So, what do you think of the Queen's "look?"

I think that the only thing that needs updating is the prescription in somebody's bifocals.

Oh, you would ask me...I am the queen of frump!!

The thing about opinions...we all have them and who is to say that one is more right than another. It's all a matter of perspective...:saycheese

[Felicity]

Good afternoon.

So, what do you think of the Queen's "look?"

I think that the only thing that needs updating is the prescription in somebody's bifocals.Bifocals! Aren't those for "old" people??!! :toofunny

[Felicity]

Hey NBers! And everyone else! :D

Check out Vangie Inman's latest CD HERE (https://www.verilion.com/onlinestore/womenwhoworship.com/detail.php?id=186&cat=156).

You can also listen to sound clips.

https://www.verilion.com/onlinestore/womenwhoworship.com/admin/getpicture.php?id=186

[Thad]

HEY!!!!!


congradualtions to VANGI!!!


we go way back felicity. we grew up going to camps, youth events, fellowship meetings, etc.

she's a great person! and finally got to see and talk to her last year.
it was like old times

give her my regards pplease

[TRIPLE E]

Good afternoon.

So, what do you think of the Queen's "look?"

I think that the only thing that needs updating is the prescription in somebody's bifocals.

:killinme

[Felicity]

Long live the Queen! We love her in spite of some of the funny hats and hairdos. ;) :D

[Rachel]

Popping in to say God is good!

[Barb]

Hey NBers! And everyone else! :D

Check out Vangie Inman's latest CD HERE (https://www.verilion.com/onlinestore/womenwhoworship.com/detail.php?id=186&cat=156).

You can also listen to sound clips.

https://www.verilion.com/onlinestore/womenwhoworship.com/admin/getpicture.php?id=186

Sis, can we get them in bookstores or only through her website?!

[BoredOutOfMyMind]

Hey NBers! And everyone else! :D

Check out Vangie Inman's latest CD HERE (https://www.verilion.com/onlinestore/womenwhoworship.com/detail.php?id=186&cat=156).

You can also listen to sound clips.

https://www.verilion.com/onlinestore/womenwhoworship.com/admin/getpicture.php?id=186


Here is another distributor site (http://tinyurl.com/35am5h) with a great writeup on this lady.

http://www.landwashdistribution.com/storemaker/images/AngelsInHouse200.jpg

About the Artist...

Evangeline Inman is a graduate of Christian Life College in Stockton, California. She is a dynamic speaker, singer, and songwriter. She has traveled extensively in the US and Canada singing and conducting choir clinics.

Evangeline has written a series of devotionals that are heard on radio in over fifteen cities, in eight states, as well as in Canada. She has also written several songs that have been recorded and have been sung as worship choruses.

She has taught music at Christian Life College in California, Apostolic Missionary Institute in Ontario, and Bethany Bible College in Sussex, New Brunswick. She has also played keyboards and sang on several live recordings.

Evangeline has been in music ministry for over fifteen years. Her most recent position was at Smythe Street Cathedral in Fredericton, N.B where she co-produced the choir's worship CD entitled "I Reach Out To You," which included five songs written by her. Her ministry now includes speaking, writing, worship leading, singing and most recently radio devotionals. Evangeline is married to Dr. Mark Inman and they have two children, Marquelle their treasure on earth, and Jared their treasure in heaven.

Evangeline has a passion for ministering to women. Her word from God and personal testimony will impact your life.

[ALVIN]

On the eve of General Conference I predict that Resolution #4 will not have any effect at all in New Brunswick, unless they vote to make the ministers get rid of their televisions. :Nhl_crash:Nhl_check:Nhl_crash:Nhl_check

May God bless the General Conference to the advancement of the Kingdom of God on the Earth.

[ALVIN]

NEWSFLASH!!!

General Conference travellers have created huge line ups in airports across the nation. It seems that none of them are willing to look at the screens in the airports, and can't find their boarding gates.

:cowbell

[ALVIN]

NEWSFLASH!!!!!

Disney World has reported a spike in attendance today. Crowds of super sized men with big hair, pretending not to recognize each other, have descended on the theme park on this Lord's Day.

:grumpy:grumpy:grumpy:grumpy

[Broken]

NEWSFLASH!!!!!

Disney World has reported a spike in attendance today. Crowds of super sized men with big hair, pretending not to recognize each other, have descended on the theme park on this Lord's Day.

:grumpy:grumpy:grumpy:grumpy


very sad sense of humor

[TRIPLE E]

On the eve of General Conference I predict that Resolution #4 will not have any effect at all in New Brunswick, unless they vote to make the ministers get rid of their televisions. :Nhl_crash:Nhl_check:Nhl_crash:Nhl_check

May God bless the General Conference to the advancement of the Kingdom of God on the Earth.

Personally I don't know of any that have TV's ,I know a few that have "monitors" though.

[TRIPLE E]

NEWSFLASH!!!!!

Disney World has reported a spike in attendance today. Crowds of super sized men with big hair, pretending not to recognize each other, have descended on the theme park on this Lord's Day.

:grumpy:grumpy:grumpy:grumpy

You don't say !:killinme

[Truly Blessed]

NEWSFLASH!!!

General Conference travellers have created huge line ups in airports across the nation. It seems that none of them are willing to look at the screens in the airports, and can't find their boarding gates.

:cowbellSomeone who looked UPC was overheard asking a security guard at one airport what those "things" are. In that case they were told that those "things" were monitors, which brought a sigh of relief, and the response, "That's great, we ARE allowed to look at "monitors"!":)

[Truly Blessed]

On the eve of General Conference I predict that Resolution #4 will not have any effect at all in New Brunswick, unless they vote to make the ministers get rid of their televisions. :Nhl_crash:Nhl_check:Nhl_crash:Nhl_check

May God bless the General Conference to the advancement of the Kingdom of God on the Earth.

If the UPCI sent out a questionaire asking every licensed minister directly, "Do you have a TV in your house?" and they had to answer the question in order to have their license renewed, what do you think the result would be?

[BoredOutOfMyMind]

Personally I don't know of any that have TV's ,I know a few that have "monitors" though.

Are there broadcast stations in NB now, or do they still hang a coat hanger on the clothesline to get fuzzy images of the Bruins be whooped by the far superior teams from the North?

:tvhappy










tic but as silly as the notion of all preachers having TV....

[ALVIN]

very sad sense of humor

Thank you.

Thank you very much.

:ty2

[Thad]

NEWSFLASH!!!!!

Disney World has reported a spike in attendance today. Crowds of super sized men with big hair, pretending not to recognize each other, have descended on the theme park on this Lord's Day.

:grumpy:grumpy:grumpy:grumpy


now that was classic!! EXCELLENT!! ...had me Rollin' ! and So true

some of you soured up canadians have no sense of humor - no names mentioned!

[ALVIN]

Are there broadcast stations in NB now, or do they still hang a coat hanger on the clothesline to get fuzzy images of the Bruins be whooped by the far superior teams from the North?

:tvhappy

tic but as silly as the notion of all preachers having TV....


You got me all wrong. I definitely believe that there are preachers who don't have TV, and some in the woods who don't have satellite, and that's about the same as not having TV.

[ALVIN]

now that was classic!! EXCELLENT!! ...had me Rollin' ! and So true

some of you soured up canadians have no sense of humor - no names mentioned!


Thank you.

Thank you very much.

:ty2

[ALVIN]

If the UPCI sent out a questionaire asking every licensed minister directly, "Do you have a TV in your house?" and they had to answer the question in order to have their license renewed, what do you think the result would be?

That would be an interesting questionnaire:

1. Do you have a TV in your house?

2. If you answered "no" to question 1,

a. Does your wife have a TV in your house?

b. Do you have a room in your house you have designated as a hotel room?

c. Do you consider your garage to be a part of your house?

1. If you answered "no" to question c, do you have a TV in your garage?

d. Have you designated a residence other than where you are living as your "house?"

e. Do you have friends or family members record your favourite shows for you?

f. Do you own DVD sets of your favourite programs?

g. Have you removed your TV set from your house for the purpose of answering this questionnaire?

h. Do you believe that a coat hanger attached to a monitor constitutes a TV?

1. If you answered "no" to question h, do you have a coat hanger attached to your monitor?

i. Is you monitor attached to a cable or satellite broadcast input?

j. Is the signature attached to this questionnaire in your own hand writing?

k. Are you attaching a letter explaining why you are opting out of answering this question?

l. Did your superintendent tell you not to worry about it, so you're not?

:violin

[Truly Blessed]

That would be an interesting questionnaire:

1. Do you have a TV in your house?

2. If you answered "no" to question 1,

a. Does your wife have a TV in your house?

b. Do you have a room in your house you have designated as a hotel room?

c. Do you consider your garage to be a part of your house?

1. If you answered "no" to question c, do you have a TV in your garage?

d. Have you designated a residence other than where you are living as your "house?"

e. Do you have friends or family members record your favourite shows for you?

f. Do you own DVD sets of your favourite programs?

g. Have you removed your TV set from your house for the purpose of answering this questionnaire?

h. Do you believe that a coat hanger attached to a monitor constitutes a TV?

1. If you answered "no" to question h, do you have a coat hanger attached to your monitor?

i. Is you monitor attached to a cable or satellite broadcast input?

j. Is the signature attached to this questionnaire in your own hand writing?

k. Are you attaching a letter explaining why you are opting out of answering this question?

l. Did your superintendent tell you not to worry about it, so you're not?

:violinTOO FUNNY! :killinme:killinme:killinme

[TRIPLE E]

That would be an interesting questionnaire:

1. Do you have a TV in your house?

2. If you answered "no" to question 1,

a. Does your wife have a TV in your house?

b. Do you have a room in your house you have designated as a hotel room?

c. Do you consider your garage to be a part of your house?

1. If you answered "no" to question c, do you have a TV in your garage?

d. Have you designated a residence other than where you are living as your "house?"

e. Do you have friends or family members record your favourite shows for you?

f. Do you own DVD sets of your favourite programs?

g. Have you removed your TV set from your house for the purpose of answering this questionnaire?

h. Do you believe that a coat hanger attached to a monitor constitutes a TV?

1. If you answered "no" to question h, do you have a coat hanger attached to your monitor?

i. Is you monitor attached to a cable or satellite broadcast input?

j. Is the signature attached to this questionnaire in your own hand writing?

k. Are you attaching a letter explaining why you are opting out of answering this question?

l. Did your superintendent tell you not to worry about it, so you're not?

:violin


Let's not go digging too deep there Al!:sos

[StillStanding]

Another question:

Do you have a TV in a window air conditioner shell so that the TV is physically not IN your home?????? :D

[ALVIN]

Another question:

Do you have a TV in a window air conditioner shell so that the TV is physically not IN your home?????? :D

Addition to Questionnaire

m. Do you have a TV in a window air conditioner shell so that the TV is physically not IN your home?

1. If you answered "no" to question m, do you now plan to purchase an air conditioner shell?

[ALVIN]

Another Addition


o. Do you watch television programming over the Internet?

1. If you answered "yes" to question o, you may still technically answer "no" to question 1.

[Truly Blessed]

Additions

P. Do you watch TV while staying in hotels/motels?

Q. Have you ever missed a conference service because you didn't want to miss a TV program that interested you more?

[Truly Blessed]

New Question for Conference Attendees

In light of the Division race on and the Yankees playing Tampa Bay on Wednesday night. Will you choose to take in the game rather than attend the music fest?

[ALVIN]

Additions

P. Do you watch TV while staying in hotels/motels?

Q. Have you ever missed a conference service because you didn't want to miss a TV program that interested you more?


Very good, with a suggested addendum to question P, and one addition.

P. Do you watch TV while staying in hotels/motels?

1. Do you rent rooms in hotels/motels for the purpose of watching TV?

Q. Have you ever missed a conference service because you didn't want to miss a TV program that interested you more?

R. Have you ever watched television programming on a mobile device while attending conference services?

[StillStanding]

Another question:

Has the thought ever crossed your mind after a dead Sunday night service, "I missed 'Desperate Housewives' for this?"????? :D

[Truly Blessed]

Very good, with a suggested addendum to question P, and one addition.

P. Do you watch TV while staying in hotels/motels?

1. Do you rent rooms in hotels/motels for the purpose of watching TV?

Q. Have you ever missed a conference service because you didn't want to miss a TV program that interested you more?

R. Have you ever watched television programming on a mobile device while attending conference services?

:killinme:killinme:killinme:killinme:killinme

[ALVIN]

New Question for Conference Attendees

In light of the Division race on and the Yankees playing Tampa Bay on Wednesday night. Will you choose to take in the game rather than attend the music fest?

NEWSFLASH!!!!!

Tickets for the division race game between the Yankees and Tampa Bay have sold out. Reports are coming in of a major spike in sales to large men wearing ball caps perched on top of big hair, and to elegantly dressed ladies with lace edged ball caps bobby pinned to hair buns.

In other news. The United Pentecostal Church International has announced the relocation of their annual music fest from the Tampa Conference Center to a VIP room overlooking the Tropicana Field, home of the Tampa Bay Devil Rays.

[Truly Blessed]

Another question:

Has the thought ever crossed your mind after a dead Sunday night service, "I missed 'Desperate Housewives' for this?"????? :D:killinme:killinme:killinme

[Truly Blessed]

NEWSFLASH!!!!!

Tickets for the division race game between the Yankees and Tampa Bay have sold out. Reports are coming in of a major spike in sales to large men wearing ball caps perched on top of big hair, and to elegantly dressed ladies with lace edged ball caps bobby pinned to hair buns.

In other news. The United Pentecostal Church International has announced the relocation of their annual music fest from the Tampa Conference Center to a VIP room overlooking the Tropicana Field, home of the Tampa Bay Devil Rays.

BTW, that would be me standing outside the gate in my BC Lions T-shirt and Cap selling tickets at an inflated price. When you're unemployed you've got to do something to pay for your conference expenses. :)

[ALVIN]

Another question:

Has the thought ever crossed your mind after a dead Sunday night service, "I missed 'Desperate Housewives' for this?"????? :D

There is a solution for your problem.

http://a.abcnews.com/podcast/images/300x300_des_housewives_tile.jpg

[ALVIN]

It's possible that these folks (http://headrush.typepad.com/creating_passionate_users/2005/week42/index.html) will have a booth at General Conference.

http://headrush.typepad.com/photos/uncategorized/television.jpg

[BoredOutOfMyMind]

New Question for Conference Attendees

In light of the Division race on and the Yankees playing Tampa Bay on Wednesday night. Will you choose to take in the game rather than attend the music fest?

Interesting question indeed.

The Ballpark won't have requests for $1000..... but will cost you $25 to get in anyway.

:2cents

[ALVIN]

NEWSFLASH!!!!

The major brand name retailers have reported that sales of high fashion evening wear have been brisk for the month of September. Of special note is the boom in sales of fashion accessories such as bows, feathers, and ornamental watches. An industry spokesman commented on the usual September trend to an increase in sales of eye catching, but modest dresses. Retailers have observed this phenomena for several years, and some are speculating a connection with the "October returns," a surge in the return of high fashion garments that is unique to the first week of October.

[Truly Blessed]

NEWSFLASH!!!!

The major brand name retailers have reported that sales of high fashion evening wear have been brisk for the month of September. Of special note is the boom in sales of fashion accessories such as bows, feathers, and ornamental watches. An industry spokesman commented on the usual September trend to an increase in sales of eye catching, but modest dresses. Retailers have observed this phenomena for several years, and some are speculating a connection with the "October returns," a surge in the return of high fashion garments that is unique to the first week of October.That explains why those outfitted with high fashion are not seen on the dance floor. They can't afford to let perspiration permeate the clothes they will be returning in October. Thanks for the insight breau! :)

[Maple Leaf]

:congrats

Today this thread has topped twenty thousand views, the first thread on AFF to reach that many views.

We have also surpassed our goal of making the Top Five of threads, and now are in the Top Three.

If our regular lurkers would come out of the shadows and start posting, we could make the number one position before Thad's Tab catches up.

[Maple Leaf]

Are there broadcast stations in NB now, or do they still hang a coat hanger on the clothesline to get fuzzy images of the Bruins be whooped by the far superior teams from the North?

:tvhappy

tic but as silly as the notion of all preachers having TV....


Hey Doc,

According to MRSBOOM's timeline, you're coming north in 22 days. How close are you coming to the line that divides our fair land from the wasteland on our western border?

[BoredOutOfMyMind]

Hey Doc,

According to MRSBOOM's timeline, you're coming north in 22 days. How close are you coming to the line that divides our fair land from the wasteland on our western border?

She preceeds me as I am not landing in Manchester, NH until 11/15 (Southwest does not fly to Maine anymore).

I head as far North as Bangor unless given good reasons to change plans. I have not bought tickets yet.

[ALVIN]

*****EXTRA ***** EXTRA *****EXTRA*****


I was told today that there will be an astonishing Surprise Announcement Made at General conference this week ! ! !

I am forbidden to give out any more information on this but it's going to Rock Tampa !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

we'll see what transpires. AND!! DO NOT PM me and ask me for any information on this. I promised I would not tell and I am sticking to it !

MAJOR!!!! MAJOR!!!! NEWSFLASH!!!!

It will be announced in Tampa that Professor Thomas Fudge has been invited to join the faculty at The Urshan Graduate School. Not only has he been asked, but he has accepted and will be on-site immediately after General Conference.

That's right folks. You heard it here first. We've scooped Thadeous. Saint John's own Tom Fudge will be the chair of the new Historical Studies Department at the Urshan Graduate School.

UPC apologist, WWOD, asked to comment on this surprise appointment, said "I'm surprised," but promised a more extensive comment when he had more time to digest the news.





Definition: AFF Newsflash 1. Fiction 2. Imagination 3. Rumour 4. Fun

[TRIPLE E]

MAJOR!!!! MAJOR!!!! NEWSFLASH!!!!

It will be announced in Tampa that Professor Thomas Fudge has been invited to join the faculty at The Urshan Graduate School. Not only has he been asked, but he has accepted and will be on-site immediately after General Conference.

That's right folks. You heard it here first. We've scooped Thadeous. Saint John's own Tom Fudge will be the chair of the new Historical Studies Department at the Urshan Graduate School.

UPC apologist, WWOD, asked to comment on this surprise appointment, said "I'm surprised," but promised a more extensive comment when he had more time to digest the news.


Definition: AFF Newsflash 1. Fiction 2. Imagination 3. Rumour 4. Fun

Alvin but you left out the other two appointments to UGS -
I heard that it will be announced that TB is going to be head of the Soterology department and MF Blume is new head of Eschalogy.just wondering if anyone else can either confirm or deny this rumor?:hypercoffee

[ALVIN]

Alvin but you left out the other two appointments to UGS -
I heard that it will be announced that TB is going to be head of the Soterology department and MF Blume is new head of Eschalogy.just wondering if anyone else can either confirm or deny this rumor?:hypercoffee


That's the rumour alright, but I haven't been able to confirm it. My understanding was that TB would only be going to the Urshan school if his appointment as regional Field Supervisor for Asia doesn't come through at Conference. I guess that there's a hold up with Blume's appointment. It's not due to his eschatology, but rather that he doesn't have a UPC union card. He's got a choice to either join the brotherhood and have a shave, or to forego his appointment to UGST.

[TRIPLE E]

That's the rumour alright, but I haven't been able to confirm it. My understanding was that TB would only be going to the Urshan school if his appointment as regional Field Supervisor for Asia doesn't come through at Conference. I guess that there's a hold up with Blume's appointment. It's not due to his eschatology, but rather that he doesn't have a UPC union card. He's got a choice to either join the brotherhood and have a shave, or to forego his appointment to UGST.

Wow for MF Blume to shave off that beard just to teach at UGST thats quite a commitment to make.

Did anyone hear about Felicity teaming up with RR and DB in writing a new book - A Third Look at Holiness?
I heard Felicity is covering the section on How to dress in the 21st Century and not look frumpy and outdated and RR well she'll be covering the section on hair.DB will be there for editing purposes?
It's a wonder Thad never came out with this before I did!:couch

[Felicity]

:congrats

Today this thread has topped twenty thousand views, the first thread on AFF to reach that many views.

We have also surpassed our goal of making the Top Five of threads, and now are in the Top Three.

If our regular lurkers would come out of the shadows and start posting, we could make the number one position before Thad's Tab catches up.Outstanding accomplishment! The Canadian Tab has always been one of the best on these forums! :thumbsup

[Thad]

You Canadians are sure an unfriendly bunch !!!! AND CLANISH TOO!!!

[seguidordejesus]

I believe that should be spelled "clannish" Thad. :D

[Maple Leaf]

You Canadians are sure an unfriendly bunch !!!! AND CLANISH TOO!!!

Kith and Kin r Us.

Part of the problem is the great cultural divide between Canada and California. eg. The fact that TD Jakes appeared on a trashy television program seems to be an issue to Americans, but, up here it ranks about as high as a short mukluk on the importance meter.

Here's the truth: Even a toothless beaver can slap its tail on the water.

[D&J]

Here's the truth: Even a toothless beaver can slap its tail on the water.

True, very true!! :killinme

Once again Mapleleaf has the wordsmithing in operation!

[D&J]

...MF Blume is new head of Eschalogy.

Now I will tell you, my faith may be a little low this morning but I cannot really see this happening!! :hypercoffee

[Maple Leaf]

True, very true!! :killinme

Once again Mapleleaf has the wordsmithing in operation!


Sounds pretty good, eh?

I have no idea what it means, but I like the way it sounds.

You're in bad shape when your own words are a mystery to you.

That's why the bronze plaque on our pulpit reads,

"Howbeit he speaketh mysteries"

:lalala

[Barb]

:congrats

Today this thread has topped twenty thousand views, the first thread on AFF to reach that many views.

We have also surpassed our goal of making the Top Five of threads, and now are in the Top Three.

If our regular lurkers would come out of the shadows and start posting, we could make the number one position before Thad's Tab catches up.

I will add my congratulations!! :canada

[Truly Blessed]

That's the rumour alright, but I haven't been able to confirm it. My understanding was that TB would only be going to the Urshan school if his appointment as regional Field Supervisor for Asia doesn't come through at Conference. I guess that there's a hold up with Blume's appointment. It's not due to his eschatology, but rather that he doesn't have a UPC union card. He's got a choice to either join the brotherhood and have a shave, or to forego his appointment to UGST.Hey, when you're unemployed you're open to almost anything, eh? :)

[sis.m]

:killinmeSounds pretty good, eh?

I have no idea what it means, but I like the way it sounds.

You're in bad shape when your own words are a mystery to you.

That's why the bronze plaque on our pulpit reads,

"Howbeit he speaketh mysteries"

:lalala

:killinme:killinme:killinme

[Maple Leaf]

:killinme

:killinme:killinme:killinme


My sermons are best described as a kaleidoscope of words.

Now Milady,

Why don't you share your thoughts.

It would be a welcome change from the drivel ALVIN has been drooling all over this thread.

:begging

[Destiny2]

Today marks a milestone for my mum,her 96th birthday,looking forward to family coming to visit...and to a nice dinner at the Dip.

[ALVIN]

My sermons are best described as a kaleidoscope of words.

Now Milady,

Why don't you share your thoughts.

It would be a welcome change from the drivel ALVIN has been drooling all over this thread.

:begging


2gGcLXwHiKw

[TRIPLE E]

Pentecost in the 70's

-In the liberal churches women trimmed their hair and maintened a long hair length
-In the liberal churches women wore pants but only for certain occasions e.g. working the garden,skating(pants worn under their skirts) ,pants on women wore a definate No as far as church functions were concerned
-In Liberal churches make-up and jewelry were worn moderately
-In liberal churches TV was acceptable , sports were acceptable,fairs and exibitions,bowling,pool were accetable

In moderate churches women did not cut their hair
In moderate churches pants were still a no-go on women,no make-up acceptable and only jewlery were the wedding rings,graduation rings, broaches
In moderate churches tv was a no-go ,but churches had their hockey teams,baseball teams,fairs and exhibitions were a no go also along with bowling ,pool

In ultra con churches women did not cut their hair .no pants on women .no jewelry. no sports whatsoever church sports teams were frowned upon and preached against.no make-up. no fairs or exhibitions or amusement parks.

That was the 70's.

[Barb]

Today marks a milestone for my mum,her 96th birthday,looking forward to family coming to visit...and to a nice dinner at the Dip.

That is wonderful, Mother D...that is quite a milestone.

[Coonskinner]

Today I met a son of the frozen north, a brother of the celebrated Maple Leaf.

I enjoyed the visit.

[Maple Leaf]

Today I met a son of the frozen north, a brother of the celebrated Maple Leaf.

I enjoyed the visit.

Boy, you two together in one place must have been a sight to behold. :killinme

Now Pastor, I know that the vernacular of a coon hunter is somewhat different than that of we more genteel folks who stalk our meat in the aisles of a supermarket, but how in the world do you think that you can get away with titling this picture the way you did?

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v325/JohnCarroll/younghounds031.jpg :killinme

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v325/JohnCarroll/younghounds031.jpg

[Barb]

Boy, you two together in one place must have been a sight to behold. :killinme

Now Pastor, I know that the vernacular of a coon hunter is somewhat different than that of we more genteel folks who stalk our meat in the aisles of a supermarket, but how in the world do you think that you can get away with titling this picture the way you did?

ML, you are a scream...no one but you would have noticed that!! :saycheese

[Maple Leaf]

ML, you are a scream...no one but you would have noticed that!! :saycheese

Too much head compression, too many minutes without oxygen when you need it most, and the result is a life lived in the frames of Gary Larson's world.

[Maple Leaf]

A picture from ALVIN's school days?


http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o104/MapleLeaf_album/57198622_fca5cea6fd.jpg

[LadyCoonskinner]

Boy, you two together in one place must have been a sight to behold. :killinme

Now Pastor, I know that the vernacular of a coon hunter is somewhat different than that of we more genteel folks who stalk our meat in the aisles of a supermarket, but how in the world do you think that you can get away with titling this picture the way you did?

I'm used to it. He's always calling me some term of endearment with an "animalistic" nature.

I don't mind the "young" part, its the other that kinda grates on nerves a tad bit.:hypercoffee

[Maple Leaf]

I'm used to it. He's always calling me some term of endearment with an "animalistic" nature.

I don't mind the "young" part, its the other that kinda grates on nerves a tad bit.:hypercoffee

Here's what he meant to post.

I hope you forgive him

http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o104/MapleLeaf_album/Friends.jpg

http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o104/MapleLeaf_album/Friends.jpg

[LadyCoonskinner]

Here's what he meant to post.

I hope you forgive him



http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o104/MapleLeaf_album/Friends.jpg

Hey that's pretty good. You need to send that to me by email, so I can print it.

[Mrs. Monkeyman]

[QUOTE=Maple Leaf;253921]A picture from ALVIN's school days?

You know....i have pics of you from your elementary school days in Freddy Beach.

[ALVIN]

A picture from ALVIN's school days?

You know....i have pics of you from your elementary school days in Freddy Beach.


If the pictures are like the posts, they'll be a lot closer to Picasso than Rembrandt.

Do you have the third grade picture with the Abraham Lincoln beard? (The only third grade student old enough to be licensed to drive a school bus)

[Coonskinner]

Boy, you two together in one place must have been a sight to behold. :killinme

Now Pastor, I know that the vernacular of a coon hunter is somewhat different than that of we more genteel folks who stalk our meat in the aisles of a supermarket, but how in the world do you think that you can get away with titling this picture the way you did?


Maple, I downloaded those pictures into a file that has mostly pictures of young coon hounds in it.

I really didn't title the picture.

Why do you think that the two of us in one place was such a sight?

Granted, I am a lot better looking than he is, but that in itself shouldn't be enough to cause undue consternation.

[Mrs. Monkeyman]

If the pictures are like the posts, they'll be a lot closer to Picasso than Rembrandt.

Do you have the third grade picture with the Abraham Lincoln beard? (The only third grade student old enough to be licensed to drive a school bus)

hahaha,,,i guess i am far from a seasoned poster,,,,was trying to not repost the pic and messed up the quote too.

i have a pic of ML from 1974....i of course was just a tike....and am much, much, much (maybe even decades) younger than him :-D

[Maple Leaf]

hahaha,,,i guess i am far from a seasoned poster,,,,was trying to not repost the pic and messed up the quote too.

i have a pic of ML from 1974....i of course was just a tike....and am much, much, much (maybe even decades) younger than him :-D

Look familiar?

http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o104/MapleLeaf_album/McAdamAvenue.jpg

I found: David, Darlene, and Clark from next door; Raymond and Glendon who I think lived on the same street you did; Perry from across the street; Terry and Brian from your neighbourhood; but, I didn't find you.

[Barb]

Blessings to all Canadians this day...have a great one!! :canada

[Mrs. Monkeyman]

Look familiar?

http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o104/MapleLeaf_album/McAdamAvenue.jpg

I found: David, Darlene, and Clark from next door; Raymond and Glendon who I think lived on the same street you did; Perry from across the street; Terry and Brian from your neighbourhood; but, I didn't find you.

Yup!!! That's the one. For some reason I have it....I was just a youngin' so I didn't actually go until 1975. I have all of the old ones....fun to look at. There is a bunch of the neighborhood clan on Facebook so it has been fun catching up with them. :-D

[Mrs. Monkeyman]

Blessings to all Canadians this day...have a great one!! :canada

Expecting great things today!! Prayer services on Saturday night have doubled in attendance over the last 3 weeks....but more than that it is the results that you can feel in the services. Got too busy this week to give an update from last weekend....we had 2 more receive the Holy Ghost!! And a church that has been joining us via internet feed had a lady come using a walker and go home healed!!

God is good all the time!!

:bliss

[Barb]

Expecting great things today!! Prayer services on Saturday night have doubled in attendance over the last 3 weeks....but more than that it is the results that you can feel in the services. Got too busy this week to give an update from last weekend....we had 2 more receive the Holy Ghost!! And a church that has been joining us via internet feed had a lady come using a walker and go home healed!!

God is good all the time!!

:bliss

Yes, He is!! Glad to read of the good things happening in the Kingdom across the border.

God bless you and Monk...:saycheese

[sis.m]

My sermons are best described as a kaleidoscope of words.

Now Milady,

Why don't you share your thoughts.

It would be a welcome change from the drivel ALVIN has been drooling all over this thread.

:begging



I am a lady of few words (maybe I'm a bit short in the thought department!)

[Maple Leaf]

Yup!!! That's the one. For some reason I have it....I was just a youngin' so I didn't actually go until 1975. I have all of the old ones....fun to look at. There is a bunch of the neighborhood clan on Facebook so it has been fun catching up with them. :-D

Interesting.

You're younger than I thought, or a really good story teller. :grumpy

You were only one year ahead of the result of my parent's mid life crisis. :killinme

It's funny, but I don't remember being in the same class as the scholar two spaces to the left in that rogue's gallery. Those were the days of split classes, and that was a grade five/six class if I'm not mistaken.

[Maple Leaf]

I am a lady of few words (maybe I'm a bit short in the thought department!)

Nope.

Don't believe you at all.

I have looked into the cyber stars and your name was written there.

Here's proof that I know, and the way that I found out.

http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o104/MapleLeaf_album/sis.m.jpg

[Maple Leaf]

Pentecost in the 70's

-In the liberal churches women trimmed their hair and maintened a long hair length
-In the liberal churches women wore pants but only for certain occasions e.g. working the garden,skating(pants worn under their skirts) ,pants on women wore a definate No as far as church functions were concerned
-In Liberal churches make-up and jewelry were worn moderately
-In liberal churches TV was acceptable , sports were acceptable,fairs and exibitions,bowling,pool were accetable

In moderate churches women did not cut their hair
In moderate churches pants were still a no-go on women,no make-up acceptable and only jewlery were the wedding rings,graduation rings, broaches
In moderate churches tv was a no-go ,but churches had their hockey teams,baseball teams,fairs and exhibitions were a no go also along with bowling ,pool

In ultra con churches women did not cut their hair .no pants on women .no jewelry. no sports whatsoever church sports teams were frowned upon and preached against.no make-up. no fairs or exhibitions or amusement parks.

That was the 70's.

That is an interesting categorization of churches.

Using this criteria, I don't think that there is an ultra con church in NB, and only a few moderate churches, but there is a whole gaggle of liberal churches, in this new millennium.

[TRIPLE E]

the Ultra Cons of this decade are like the moderates of the 70's.

the moderates of this decade more like the liberals of the 70's

the liberals of today are more like the charismatics of the 70's

[BoredOutOfMyMind]

Was the current Thad controversy a plot hatched deep in Maple Leaf territory to keep this thread in the top 5?!?

:canada

[Maple Leaf]

Was the current Thad controversy a plot hatched deep in Maple Leaf territory to keep this thread in the top 5?!?

:canada

Oui et non.

Forums seem to attract some people who have recurring bouts of mania punctuated by self induced implosions.

They post in their mania. They don't post when they get offended, affected by the cycles of the moon, or over their head in controversies. We, like the proverbial tortoise, keep plodding onward, and when the final tally is done, we'll be there.

[Mrs. LPW]

Expecting great things today!! Prayer services on Saturday night have doubled in attendance over the last 3 weeks....but more than that it is the results that you can feel in the services. Got too busy this week to give an update from last weekend....we had 2 more receive the Holy Ghost!! And a church that has been joining us via internet feed had a lady come using a walker and go home healed!!

God is good all the time!!

:bliss

MM... what church is joining via internet feed?

[TRIPLE E]

Was the current Thad controversy a plot hatched deep in Maple Leaf territory to keep this thread in the top 5?!?

:canada

No we Canadians are the Peace Keepers remember ,Thad tends to get himself into trouble and then backs away but never fear by next GC old Thaddy boy will be back along with his Newsflashes!

[BoredOutOfMyMind]

No we Canadians are the Peace Keepers remember ,Thad tends to get himself into trouble and then backs away but never fear by next GC old Thaddy boy will be back along with his Newsflashes!

I was simply having some fun and bumping this thread to the top also at the same time.

I must say in the last 40 days this has been the second best thread to read. (behind photo thread of Sis Alvear)

[TRIPLE E]

I was simply having some fun and bumping this thread to the top also at the same time.

I must say in the last 40 days this has been the second best thread to read. (behind photo thread of Sis Alvear)

Oh I know you were having fun sorry if I sounded a little Goofey!:hypercoffee

[Maple Leaf]

Oh I know you were having fun sorry if I sounded a little Goofey!:hypercoffee

By any chance, are you a "high up" official? :killinme

[TRIPLE E]

By any chance, are you a "high up" official? :killinme

No ML I prefer to stay among the lowly,but I tend to get a little Goofey at times too.

[Maple Leaf]

Most of the television debate is relatively boring, but this gem made me laugh out loud.

I just occurred to me: an unscrupulous TV station could sell ad time to the UPCI, collect the money but not actually air the ads, and the UPCI will never know! :sly

[TRIPLE E]

Most of the television debate is relatively boring, but this gem made me laugh out loud.

Timmy must have forgot that we could always ask a church board member!:gclock

[TrueNorth]

So Canucks, how many Canadian churches do you know of that will leave the org over television advertising? I haven't heard of any yet.

[BoredOutOfMyMind]

So Canucks, how many Canadian churches do you know of that will leave the org over television advertising? I haven't heard of any yet.

Hubert is Faithful out there in the St Lawrence Seaway. He has a congregation of One. See, he lives, and preaches from Bouy 88654.

He IS expecting GREAT things with the new ads in both US and Canadian markets. He states faithfully "REVIVAL IS COMING!"

:boat

[Maple Leaf]

I had opportunity to pass by the site of the new campus of Northeast Christian College last evening. It's looking good. I took several pictures, but apparently it was a little too dark for my camera. Here's one of the front door to prove I was there.

http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o104/MapleLeaf_album/100_2350.jpg

[TRIPLE E]

So Canucks, how many Canadian churches do you know of that will leave the org over television advertising? I haven't heard of any yet.

I was listening to the radio today and there is something called TV Listings that you can advertise on,sounds interesting,they said your announcement will be heard 168 times a week.

[Felicity]

Oui et non.

Forums seem to attract some people who have recurring bouts of mania punctuated by self induced implosions.

They post in their mania. They don't post when they get offended, affected by the cycles of the moon, or over their head in controversies. We, like the proverbial tortoise, keep plodding onward, and when the final tally is done, we'll be there.Plod on dear Maple Leaf. Plod on! :thumbsup

[Maple Leaf]

Plod on dear Maple Leaf. Plod on! :thumbsup

Plod on I shall Milady. (How do you like that for a wannabe sentence?)

How was your cruise?

You should post some pictures (No pool side shots, please!).

P.S. I have a large tent that I'm not using this time of year if you and Truly need it for the next couple months.

[Felicity]

Plod on I shall Milady. (How do you like that for a wannabe sentence?)Most all your sentences are FINE with me. :thumbsup

[Felicity]

How was your cruise?It was good, BUT to be honest, GC and being here in San Jose' were/are the highlights of my trip.

We're staying here in the downtown center of SJ and I wish you could here the birds singing and chattering outside my window! So beautiful!

We wandered around outside earlier today checking out shops, souvenirs, shoes, purses, etc. The streets and sidewalks were FILLED with people! Reminded me of HK -- the crowds of people! The weather is so nice although it turned rainy and cooler later in the afternoon.

Right now TB is meeting with the couple who is pastoring the church plant we've been very involved with here and supporting downstairs in the lobby. They're pretty concerned knowing that we've resigned because TB is their "pastor" and the one they look to and have been depending on.

We'll be with them in services and for the day tomorrow. Looking forward to that. I just wish I could speak Spanish. I did manage a "bueno" to the waitress at lunch and she seemed pleased with that. LOL. :)

[Felicity]

You should post some pictures (No pool side shots, please!).We didn't take many pics. Some of the ones the cruise people took turned out beautiful but we never did get any. I hated to pay the $$$. Maybe next time.

Poolside shots? I'm telling you ML.......some of the sights I saw by the pool you would never want to see. Scary! Of course there were some you might want to see but shouldn't. Hehehe. ;)

[Felicity]

P.S. I have a large tent that I'm not using this time of year if you and Truly need it for the next couple months.Thanks for the offer. It's much appreciated. I'm sure a coleman lantern and stove and maybe a heater would come with the offer of the tent? :hypercoffee

Seriously, we've decided to stay put in Surrey and hang tight for a few months. We need some direction. Please pray with us! :praying

[Coonskinner]

You want pictures? I got pictures. :)

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v325/JohnCarroll/younghounds067.jpg

[Felicity]

Coonskinner!! Speaking for and of myself, that picture should never have seen the light of day. Although I suppose it might could be useful put in the garden to keep the crows away. :lol

Ahhh well........there's more than one way to keep a person humble I guess. :o

[Maple Leaf]

http://blog.fotolog.com/wp-content/uploads/2006/10/canadian.gif

[Felicity]

Oh my goodness! I totally forgot that it's Thanksgiving weekend! Thanks for the reminder ML! We have so many things to be grateful and thankful for!

To all my Canadian friends........

Have a blessed and wonderful Thanksgiving!

[BoredOutOfMyMind]

I was listening to the radio today and there is something called TV Listings that you can advertise on,sounds interesting,they said your announcement will be heard 168 times a week.

Once per hour....

7x24=168

[TRIPLE E]

Happy Thanksgiving to one and all!

[Destiny2]

We have so many things to be thankful for,count your many Blessings weigh them by the ton and it will surprise you what the Lord has done!
Happy Thanksgiving !

[D&J]

Just in from Sunday PM service. A wonderful day in the house of God this Thanksgiving Sunday. I am so thankful for the blessings of God upon my life and my family. My middle son preached tonight and did an awesome job!!

God is good... all the time
All the time... God is good!!

[Barb]

http://blog.fotolog.com/wp-content/uploads/2006/10/canadian.gif

For those who didn't see the thread I started on the main page, Happy Thanksgiving to all Canadians!! :canada

[Maple Leaf]

For those who didn't see the thread I started on the main page, Happy Thanksgiving to all Canadians!! :canada

Thank you.

If it hadn't been for that scoundrel, Oliver Hazard Perry, you would be celebrating Thanksgiving with us.

[Ron]

Happy Thanksgiving to our Canadian brothers & sisters!
We are having Turkey today, that is if we can get the bird into the oven!
Why do they put up such a fight, gets too many feathers all over the place!:hypercoffee

[Felicity]

I'm in San Jose, Costa Rica today and am so THANKFUL I've had the opporunity to be here. What an awesome day we had yesterday!!

This has been the most awesome trip. Gen Conf and this trip to SJ win over the cruise I have to say. :)

No turkey though. :(

[Truly Blessed]

This being Thanksgiving Day in Canada I want to express my thankfulness that the Boston Red Sox swept the LAA and will go on to play for the ALDS title! It has made my day to read this headline. Now if the NYY lose tonight I will be REALLY thankful! :)

[Barb]

Thank you.

If it hadn't been for that scoundrel, Oliver Hazard Perry, you would be celebrating Thanksgiving with us.

LOL!! Well, no turkey for me today, but we can still be thankful together, eh?!

God save your gracious Queen!! :canada

[Barb]

I'm in San Jose, Costa Rica today and am so THANKFUL I've had the opporunity to be here. What an awesome day we had yesterday!!

This has been the most awesome trip. Gen Conf and this trip to SJ win over the cruise I have to say. :)

No turkey though. :(

God bless you and TB on your vacation, sis...:saycheese

[bethola]

Well, I'm not Canadian. BUT, today I had turkey and all the trimmings because since my boys were small I've always "celebrated" Thanksgiving Day in Canada. It was a good learning experience for them and I just LOVE the smell of Thanksgiving. It's comfort food.

Happy Thanksgiving and God Bless all our Canadian Friends.

Beth

[Barb]

Well, I'm not Canadian. BUT, today I had turkey and all the trimmings because since my boys were small I've always "celebrated" Thanksgiving Day in Canada. It was a good learning experience for them and I just LOVE the smell of Thanksgiving. It's comfort food.

Happy Thanksgiving and God Bless all our Canadian Friends.

Beth

I fixed the "comfort food" a few weeks ago and had guests in...it was great fun and great food.

[Maple Leaf]

With some help from our American friends, we have ended this Thanksgiving Monday as the second place thread on AFF in total number of posts. First place is in view!

[Maple Leaf]

From Timlan's signature line.

"All the bad things that I talked about that happened in my life in 1993 were a blow to my spirit and my existence and my ministry. But I have to say I felt God's direction and I would not change it for anything. It was right and it is still right. And the resolution I would not sign is still dividing and destroying. Thank God I am not part of it ... I have peace in my heart. I have peace in my spirit." C. H. Yadon

[Stephanas]

With some help from our American friends, we have ended this Thanksgiving Monday as the second place thread on AFF in total number of posts. First place is in view!

Has anybody else noticed that this is the only thread competing in the longest thread contest?

[The Senator]

If the talk on this forum is to be taken seriously the recent resolution allowing television in the UPCI has caused a lot of controversy and possibly a new organization south of the border. Will the same thing happen in Canada? I'm a bit disconnected but I can't think of any Canadian churches (Eastern) that will be effected by allowing television.

[TRIPLE E]

If the talk on this forum is to be taken seriously the recent resolution allowing television in the UPCI has caused a lot of controversy and possibly a new organization south of the border. Will the same thing happen in Canada? I'm a bit disconnected but I can't think of any Canadian churches (Eastern) that will be effected by allowing television.

Pentecost in Eastern Canada has always been a little more tolerant of differring views than elsewhere so I see no change myself at all in our little neck of the woods!

[The Senator]

Not much hope for these Leafs (http://www.thestar.com/Sports/article/265269)

AARON LYNETT/TORONTO STAR

Oct 10, 2007 04:30 AM

Rock bottom, and with Halloween still three weeks away.
Rather than three stars at the end of the contest – once a beloved feature of NHL games, now shabbily handed over to teams to use as propaganda and generally ignored – the Maple Leafs would have needed 21 of 'em last night before one of their own would have been so honoured.
Okay, maybe 20. Carolina Hurricanes backup goalie John Grahame didn't play.

Not much hope for these Leafs :pirate

[The Senator]

Pentecost in Eastern Canada has always been a little more tolerant of differring views than elsewhere so I see no change myself at all in our little neck of the woods!

That's what I thought, but I wondered if any of the pastors who still oppose TV will leave now that TV is officially allowed. In the seventies this would have upset the apple cart in a major way.

[TRIPLE E]

That's what I thought, but I wondered if any of the pastors who still oppose TV will leave now that TV is officially allowed. In the seventies this would have upset the apple cart in a major way.


A lot has changed since the 70's I'm afraid.

[Maple Leaf]

A lot has changed since the 70's I'm afraid.

Ain't that the truth. I'm sure that my Pastor, in the seventies, never dreamed a day would come when you would preach against hair dye, and he did, and your preaching would trample on the toes of the "brethren." :killinme

[Maple Leaf]

I'm not going to reply to the slam against my beloved Maple Leafs. When Lord Stanley's Cup is hoisted above Mats Sundin's head, and he takes a victory lap around the Air Canada Centre, that will be answer enough.

Go Leafs Go!

[TRIPLE E]

Ain't that the truth. I'm sure that my Pastor, in the seventies, never dreamed a day would come when you would preach against hair dye, and he did, and your preaching would trample on the toes of the "brethren." :killinme

Now ML I have not heard anyone preach against hair dye ever I think. I know it's in DB's book and the only preaching I have heard that trampled on the toes of brethern have come from sources outside the UPC.

[Maple Leaf]

Now ML I have not heard anyone preach against hair dye ever I think. I know it's in DB's book and the only preaching I have heard that trampled on the toes of brethern have come from sources outside the UPC.

Pastor

I have personally heard your present Superintendent preach against the "dye pot" in a fellowship meeting in the late eighties or early nineties.

[TRIPLE E]

Pastor

I have personally heard your present Superintendent preach against the "dye pot" in a fellowship meeting in the late eighties or early nineties.

Sorry I was only speaking from my own personal experience.I was not around these parts during that particular time frame

[Maple Leaf]

Sorry I was only speaking from my own personal experience.I was not around these parts during that particular time frame

Now Pastor,

Surely you've heard a good strong message on the evils of bobbed hair, ear buttons, massacre, and Pistol Smoke.

[TRIPLE E]

Now Pastor,

Surely you've heard a good strong message on the evils of bobbed hair, ear buttons, massacre, and Pistol Smoke.

Pistol Smoke?:sos

[Maple Leaf]

Pistol Smoke?:sos

"Pistol Smoke" was a favourite phrase used by my pastor when he was getting warmed up to really blast television. He meant "Gunsmoke," but he said "Pistol Smoke." In those days preachers always acted like they didn't know anything about television.

http://www.tvshowsondvd.net/graphics/news3/Gunsmoke_50thAnn_V2.jpg

[TRIPLE E]

"Pistol Smoke" was a favourite phrase used by my pastor when he was getting warmed up to really blast television. He meant "Gunsmoke," but he said "Pistol Smoke." In those days preachers always acted like they didn't know anything about television.

http://www.tvshowsondvd.net/graphics/news3/Gunsmoke_50thAnn_V2.jpg


OK,I thought that's what you were referring to. I don't think my pastor back then ever blasted television.

[Maple Leaf]

Consider this: from all the names I am hearing, Larry Booker is to the right of everyone coming to this meeting. There are many of us in the UPC who have been fellowshipping independents for several years. This is a different group.

This is not the part of the spectrum that has been part of the Nashville AMC meeting, the men doing their own camps and youth camps, etc. This is mainstream UPC men that I never thought would consider leaving.

I don't mind saying that I had become part of the "UPC fringe," still in but not active. I know of many like me who are getting out and becoming independent. If this Tulsa meeting continues as it appears, there are men leaving the UPC that I never dreamed would consider it.

My leaving is not an indicator that the UPC will suffer the loss of great numbers. Even Larry Booker's leaving wouldn't indicate that. But some of the men I am hearing about is a horse of a different color.

By the way, all the men I am hearing about pastor substantial size churches as far as the UPC is concerned.

I definitely think the impact will be felt...though I take no pleasure in any of it.

:eek: :eek: :eek: :eek: :eek: :eek: :eek:

[Destiny2]

In the 1970's.I decided to cover my early appearance of gray hair, to the shock of my pastor,we immediately had sermons against hair dye,I got the message and have allowed nature to color my hair for many years.

[ALVIN]

I'm not going to reply to the slam against my beloved Maple Leafs. When Lord Stanley's Cup is hoisted above Mats Sundin's head, and he takes a victory lap around the Air Canada Centre, that will be answer enough.

Go Leafs Go!

This seems like a good time for a repost.

2gGcLXwHiKw

[Sarah]

In the 1970's.I decided to cover my early appearance of gray hair, to the shock of my pastor,we immediately had sermons against hair dye,I got the message and have allowed nature to color my hair for many years.

LOL

This is priceless!

[TRIPLE E]

This seems like a good time for a repost.

2gGcLXwHiKw

:pirate This was great! The kid laughs just like me!

[TRIPLE E]

Anybody going to Kingswood tonight for the party atmosphere?

[Destiny2]

Are the Canadians going to let this thread slip again,is it duck hunting season or is it that everything is nice and peaceful?

[Barb]

Are the Canadians going to let this thread slip again,is it duck hunting season or is it that everything is nice and peaceful?

Hi Mother D...how are things?! Trust all is well way over yonder...

My momma was just saying this morning that she'd like to head on over to your neck of the woods next summer...we shall see. :dunno

[Truly Blessed]

Hey, you NBers! Does anyone know any truckers who move between NB and the Vancouver area who might be looking for a load to bring back to NB?

[The Senator]

http://www.mortonbustard.com/pt2007.jpg

[TRIPLE E]

Hey, you NBers! Does anyone know any truckers who move between NB and the Vancouver area who might be looking for a load to bring back to NB?

We have a trucker in our church but I think he does basically routes to the US.

[TRIPLE E]

http://www.mortonbustard.com/pt2007.jpg

Yes I am hoping to make it to this conference,pray that all things work out so I can be there!

[Truly Blessed]

I wish I could go!

[Barb]

I watched a few moments of the Speech From the Throne on CBC, and they wrote at the bottom of the screen that several leaders had already announced they would not support the speech.

The Gov. Gen was speaking about crime when I looked in...just what all is she saying that the political leaders can't support?!

[Monkeyman]

Anybody going to Kingswood tonight for the party atmosphere?between the youth function and our Sunday services, at least 11 received the Holy Ghost with evidence of tongues...awesome

[Monkeyman]

Yes I am hoping to make it to this conference,pray that all things work out so I can be there!This is not our conference but the organizers have asked for "some" help with the music. We are sending a small team to help out...VERY excited!

[Monkeyman]

between the youth function and our Sunday services, at least 11 received the Holy Ghost with evidence of tongues...awesomeYes, I realize I am quoting myself, lol. I just wanted to add that we have had at least 25 receive the Holy Ghost in the past month!! (where is the shockamoo smiley)

[TRIPLE E]

Yes, I realize I am quoting myself, lol. I just wanted to add that we have had at least 25 receive the Holy Ghost in the past month!! (where is the shockamoo smiley)

Great Report,some members of our church have been visiting at your church and have told me of the awesome prayer meetings before service on Sunday night and the awesome service that followed. We have a young lady from our former pastorate that now attends yours church as she is in college,we are glad she has great church to attend!

[Truly Blessed]

between the youth function and our Sunday services, at least 11 received the Holy Ghost with evidence of tongues...awesomePleas don't take offense with this question, but I often wonder why people who are Pentecostal feel it necessary when stating that someone received the Holy Ghost to include "with the evidence of speaking in tongues"? If you're Pentecostal isn't that a given?

[Truly Blessed]

I watched a few moments of the Speech From the Throne on CBC, and they wrote at the bottom of the screen that several leaders had already announced they would not support the speech.

The Gov. Gen was speaking about crime when I looked in...just what all is she saying that the political leaders can't support?!The non-governing political parties always take the position that whatever the governing party is proposing is flawed and doesn't represent what the electorate want or need. It's just politics. In the end the majority will support the government because none of them are in a position to win an election right now.

[Barb]

The non-governing political parties always take the position that whatever the governing party is proposing is flawed and doesn't represent what the electorate want or need. It's just politics. In the end the majority will support the government because none of them are in a position to win an election right now.

Ahhh...makes sense...thank you.

[Barb]

Pleas don't take offense with this question, but I often wonder why people who are Pentecostal feel it necessary when stating that someone received the Holy Ghost to include "with the evidence of speaking in tongues"? If you're Pentecostal isn't that a given?

LOL!! Interesting point...never thought about it before, but you are right.

[HeavenlyOne]

Pleas don't take offense with this question, but I often wonder why people who are Pentecostal feel it necessary when stating that someone received the Holy Ghost to include "with the evidence of speaking in tongues"? If you're Pentecostal isn't that a given?

One might think so, but there are lots of Pentecostals who don't believe tongues is necessary to have the Holy Ghost. That's why I believe the statement is included.

[Monkeyman]

Pleas don't take offense with this question, but I often wonder why people who are Pentecostal feel it necessary when stating that someone received the Holy Ghost to include "with the evidence of speaking in tongues"? If you're Pentecostal isn't that a given?No offense taken elder...it is just the way that is has been presented to me since my youth, it was the way that it has always been said to me, so in turn, I repeat it that way. I wasn't trying to put emphasis on anything, just reporting.

[Maple Leaf]

Yes, I realize I am quoting myself, lol. I just wanted to add that we have had at least 25 receive the Holy Ghost in the past month!! (where is the shockamoo smiley)

"As cold waters to a thirstie soule: so is good newes from a farre countrey."

Prouerbes XXV:25

[Barb]

Tonight's service was interesting...

Bishop William Parent was at our church teaching on a wide range of subjects. He is the most precious man...

Anyway, he was speaking about his background, and said that his mother's family lived near Massachusetts and moved into Canada at the start of the Revolution because they honored the King.

Likewise, his father's family lived near the Hudson and moved to Canada for the same reason.

His parents lived in N.B. near the Saint John River...I knew he was a NBer, but didn't know the above. I found it interesting...

[Truly Blessed]

Where have all the Canadians gone? There must be a sale on shovels, winter boots, long johns, and hot chocolate at Walmart and they're out getting stocked up for a long cold spell! :)

[Monkeyman]

Tonight's service was interesting...

Bishop William Parent was at our church teaching on a wide range of subjects. He is the most precious man...

Anyway, he was speaking about his background, and said that his mother's family lived near Massachusetts and moved into Canada at the start of the Revolution because they honored the King.

Likewise, his father's family lived near the Hudson and moved to Canada for the same reason.

His parents lived in N.B. near the Saint John River...I knew he was a NBer, but didn't know the above. I found it interesting...He is my wife's cousin. The church that in which they found this message was called the Round Top and has a great history. Bishop's father moved to Michigan and the rest you already know.
Maybe one of our NB historians could fill you in on the Round Top church...btw, my FIL has a piece of the original cornerstone of this church.

[Barb]

Where have all the Canadians gone? There must be a sale on shovels, winter boots, long johns, and hot chocolate at Walmart and they're out getting stocked up for a long cold spell! :)

LOL!!

[Barb]

He is my wife's cousin. The church that in which they found this message was called the Round Top and has a great history. Bishop's father moved to Michigan and the rest you already know.
Maybe one of our NB historians could fill you in on the Round Top church...btw, my FIL has a piece of the original cornerstone of this church.

Wow!! You never know what you might learn on this board...

Bishop said something last night about some land near the Saint John...something about three miles up a hill or something or other.

When he mentioned crossing over into Canada during the Revolution, my mind went off and I didn't catch all that he was saying right after that...:sos

[Destiny2]

Made it out to Prophetic Thunder last eve,good service,Bro.Tenny spoke well as did Bro.Bustard,I plan to go back this eve.Noticed that Monkeyman and his wife were there as well as Felicity,s mum .No doubt Monkeyman will give a detailed report.

[Truly Blessed]

Was the thunder strong enough to shake anyone up? :)

[Steve Epley]

I heard some Western Canadian brethren may be leaving like King & Mena?

[Thad]

I heard some Western Canadian brethren may be leaving like King & Mena?


I think Mena left long ago

[Steve Epley]

I think Mena left long ago

NOPE Mena is still in that is the last I heard.

[Truly Blessed]

I heard some Western Canadian brethren may be leaving like King & Mena?

That's Nice! That means if I was to join I wouldn't have to be constantly disassociating myself with them. Like in "I'm UPC, but I don't endorse what King and Mena preach and teach. :)

[Steve Epley]

That's Nice! That means if I was to join I wouldn't have to be constantly disassociating myself with them. Like in "I'm UPC, but I don't endorse what King and Mena preach and teach. :)

True and visa versa.:guns:runhills:hypercoffee:snapout

[Truly Blessed]

True and visa versa.:guns:runhills:hypercoffee:snapoutThat's true! :)

[Monkeyman]

Made it out to Prophetic Thunder last eve,good service,Bro.Tenny spoke well as did Bro.Bustard,I plan to go back this eve.Noticed that Monkeyman and his wife were there as well as Felicity,s mum .No doubt Monkeyman will give a detailed report.Did you make it last night?

[Destiny2]

Did you make it last night?

Yes!

[Truly Blessed]

Yes!That's all you're going to give us???????? We would like some details please!

[Truly Blessed]

BTW, I had my farewell service at Peoples Church this morning. It went very well. We enjoyed a nice roast beef dinner afterwards in the gym. We have another service next Sunday, but it's Missions Conference Sunday, so there will be guest speakers.

[Felicity]

Saying "goodbye" (once again) is hard, especially to people you've formed relationships with as a result of working together and the "natural" friendships that result. There are a lot of very sad and unhappy people and I feel badly for them.

But even though I feel kind of bad that they feel bad and even though I'll miss some wonderful people, I have to say I feel happy and excited for me at some of the things developing as possibilites! :bliss

[seguidordejesus]

Saying "goodbye" (once again) is hard, especially to people you've formed relationships with as a result of working together and the "natural" friendships that result. There are a lot of very sad and unhappy people and I feel badly for them.

But even though I feel kind of bad that they feel bad and even though I'll miss some wonderful people, I have to say I feel happy and excited for me at some of the things developing as possibilites! :bliss

like what? ;)

[TRIPLE E]

I like what Bro.Tenny said Saturday morning : "I was glad when they said unto me let us go to New Brunswick Canada!"

[Maple Leaf]

I like what Bro.Tenny said Saturday morning : "I was glad when they said unto me let us go to New Brunswick Canada!"

He changed his tune between the morning and night services. In the afternoon he borrowed a bar from John Denver's song, "leavin on a jet plane." However, on the bright side, it did give Mort from Tunaville time to get down and preach a full length sermon.

I don't know how he preached as well as he did under the circumstances. I'd have never been able to keep my train of thought with Monkeyman doing the bucking bronco back and forth across the front, and Destiny doing the holy helicopter up and down the middle aisle. :killinme

Note for Mrs. Monkeyman: When I was living at home, my mother used to make me wear a paper bag over my head when we went out in public. You might want to think about that the next time you decide to take Monkeyman to church with you. :killinme

[Monkeyman]

He changed his tune between the morning and night services. In the afternoon he borrowed a bar from John Denver's song, "leavin on a jet plane." However, on the bright side, it did give Mort from Tunaville time to get down and preach a full length sermon.

I don't know how he preached as well as he did under the circumstances. I'd have never been able to keep my train of thought with Monkeyman doing the bucking bronco back and forth across the front, and Destiny doing the holy helicopter up and down the middle aisle. :killinme

Note for Mrs. Monkeyman: When I was living at home, my mother used to make me wear a paper bag over my head when we went out in public. You might want to think about that the next time you decide to take Monkeyman to church with you. :killinmeHaaaa, even our resident wordsmith can't bring me down on what I'm feeling right now!

Tonight we had a 2 minute sermon and a service that went over 3 hours....deliverance, Holy Ghost infillings, baptism, gifts, and lot's of shockomoo. WOW!!!! What God is doing is simply amazing.

*Naysayer disclaimer* Before you get all, "Saved by Preaching" and all that...We still believe in the Word being brought forth, in fact, we LOVE great preaching...but tonight...was a pillar of cloud service.

I really have no idea if we even can post the service but in case we do.... www.capitalcommunity.ca

Not bragging, proud, nor boastful...just a good report is all!

[Maple Leaf]

Haaaa, even our resident wordsmith can't bring me down on what I'm feeling right now!

Tonight we had a 2 minute sermon and a service that went over 3 hours....deliverance, Holy Ghost infillings, baptism, gifts, and lot's of shockomoo. WOW!!!! What God is doing is simply amazing.

*Naysayer disclaimer* Before you get all, "Saved by Preaching" and all that...We still believe in the Word being brought forth, in fact, we LOVE great preaching...but tonight...was a pillar of cloud service.

I really have no idea if we even can post the service but in case we do.... www.capitalcommunity.ca

Not bragging, proud, nor boastful...just a good report is all!


"As cold waters to a thirstie soule: so is good newes from a farre countrey."

Prouerbes XXV:25

:shockamoo