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Originally Posted by shazeep
ok, thanks, just doing my best here. Seems the problem with that argument is that 1) Christ is Named the Light in that passage, further emphasizing His spiritual nature, which is what must be understood in order to "accept Christ," and 2) Works are given here as the evidence. So yes, people who do evil--are judgemental, say--are judged (Judge not, lest you be judged).
19“This, then, is the judgment: The lightaq has come into the world,ar and people loved darkness rather than the light because their deeds were evil. 20For everyone who practices wicked things hatesas the light and avoids it,at so that his deedsau may not be exposed. 21But anyone who lives byav the truth comes to the light, so that his worksaw may be shown to be accomplished by God.”ax
So, while i guess this is prolly frustrating for you, this passage also does not seem to be forwarding your opinion. I think you are going to be hard pressed to put Christ into your judgements; Christ is about forgiveness, even of the guilty. We get invited into condemnation of sin, or even what we perceive to be sin, not realizing that we lose Christ in the process.
This does not mean to condone sin, or indulge in sin, or allow sin in any way, but it does mean and require a change in focus. If anyone doubts this, just contemplate who it is that comes before God and mentions peoples' sins. satan is "the accuser," and he is who you follow when you are accusing. It is when you forgive that you are forgiven, over and above any spurious salvation experience that men may offer.
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Sorry you are missing so much of what the bible says elsewhere and therefore failing to put all the accounts together to get the full truth.
Joh 3:17-18 KJV For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved. (18) He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.
Jesus came not to CONDEMN because people were condemned already.
So when Jesus said they were already condemned, in your mind He is condemning them, because that is what you are doing with me. I claim the WORD already condemned people, and I am simply responding to that, As Jesus was, so they can be recovered. But they have to be told they're condemned already, because that is exactly what Jesus did. he said everyone who hates the truth is already condemned by the Word of God. So He came to not condemn, as that was unnecessary, but to give life, or recover them.
You are doing your best to pull out the part of not coming to condemn, and totally missing the context where that was stated in association with his claim THEY WERE ALREADY CONDEMNED.
Your version of Christ's purpose not only extracts and removes what he said about people already being condemned, but you also break context here:
Joh 12:47-48 KJV And
if any man hear my words, and believe not, I judge him not: for I came not to judge the world, but to save the world. (48)
He that rejecteth me, and receiveth not my words, hath one that judgeth him: the word that I have spoken, the same shall judge him in the last day.
Your view makes no room for the entire context in those words.
You say you do not disregard sin but merely make a change of focus. But you invalidate that when you say the statement cannot be made that an entire religion whose holy book denies the death of Christ on the cross so much as existed, actually talking about Christ, and actually specifically teaching His death did not even occur, while Jesus Himself said that we could only be saved by looking to Jesus as being lifted up on the cross in the same manner Israel was saved by looking up at the serpent of brass erected on a pole.
So your words are evidence that you are forcing the bible to NOT say faith in the cross is necessary for salvation, and accuse those who claim otherwise are judges, when in reality others are only saying what Jesus said.... they're already condemned and we're not coming to condemn but point them to life. That entire PURPOSE of Jesus is twisted in your view.
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