A Picture of Grace from God's Point of View

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Originally Posted by shazeep

i never said anything about Muslims being saved;

You said we cannot say they're lost. So that leaves the possibility they're saved.

this is, and has always been, about anyone who condemns others claiming to be a Christian.

No one is condemning anyone. They are ALREADY condemned. The word condemned them. For as many times as you make this invalid statement saying we are condemning people, I will repeat the truth of the picture that says the Word of God already condemned them.

What will that matter to you when you are in hell for not being forgiving?

My forgiveness cannot keep them in hell or take them out. My forgiveness has nothing to do with this. I am not God. lol

And more, in a worse part of hell for teaching this as being Christian?

Sorry you think the bible is not "Christian"? The bible made those claims, not me.

Do we need to review how it is you deem anyone saved or lost again?

It has nothing to do with me deeming anyone lost or saved. the bible did.

Read this as hard as you can; Muslims are not the issue here. It is the state of a heart that can so freely condemn while being so blind to self that is.

Sorry, the issue is what the word says. And no amount of wrangling that word will change the truth. When the bible says believe in Christ and him crucified or be lost, then it means we must believe in that or be lost. lol

See why God put Muslims on the earth;

God never put muslims in the earth any more than he put hindus or buddhists in the earth. He put human being son the earth. And he told them they must be saved by faith in the cross. Sorry, dude. It'[s just what the bible says. Take it up with the Author.

It is right there in Scripture, plain to read; to contend with you. Therefore saying "All ________ are lost" is the same as saying "I am stupid, and do not grasp that if i do not contend, there is no contest." Now this might seem to infer some kind of "anything goes" to you guys, and i have let that go a couple of times, but the truth is that those crying "Lord, Lord" are obviously not accepted, and it is Scripture that makes this clear. Too bad for you.

What has that got to do with the price of tea in China? You created a perversion of the bible that says nothing the bible says is valid. It's full of contradictions and we cannot actually know truth. To you, when the bible says sin is sin, you say we cannot say it sin is sin. You effectively make the bible a game for God to play with people. Fact is, the word is plain to see. You just don't like what it's saying.

So be who you will. As you think, so are you. It is great to have a more complete, legal understanding of Christ; with this comes more responsibility, and it is those who understand it that will be judged by that standard, and rewarded for that understanding. Apply it to others in order to condemn them,

There you go again. The word condemned them. Not me.

and claim that God did it all you like; and keep bowing out whenever Scripture admonishes you for this,

Scripture? Any time scripture is mentioned and presented for discussion you run like a nocturnal flying mammal out of hades.

but keep in mind that you will be known by your fruit, just like anyone else. No one is remembered for their confession.

Apples and oranges, speaking of fruit.

Try getting proper context. Of, I forgot. Discuss context and you run... or fly away./

What you say you believe means less than nothing, to God. Who have you harmed, even inadvertently? Claim the cross, and plead the blood, all you like; you, who understand repentance, will be judged by this; not the one who does not understand it.

Sad. Jesus said His word will judge everyone in the end. And those who lack understanding are not excused from the stripes. That's in the context, too, you know. Pesky context, huh?