Jews Against Zionism

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Originally Posted by Ferd

and I dont agree at all. Nothing there says that Israel has to be set up with as some kind of religious nation based upon an overtly religious set of laws.

God said he would gather and turn their hearts to him.

Incorrect. God said they first must obey his command and THEN God would work with regathering them.

I know more than the average person about the history here. How Israel becamse a nation is well within the relm of the Miraculous. You have to ignor quite a bit to suggest that God had no hand here.

You have got to ignore the bible to think God had a hand in this. This is what the Torah Keeping Jews are trying to say.

I could go on. I will stop there. I dont agree with you AT ALL that Israel as it is currently constituted, isnt by Gods will. I dont know that and neither do you.

And at the end of the day, I still suspect that your goal here is that we step back from support of Israel as a nation entirely. That really bothers me.

Don't resort to changing my intentions when I distinctly said anyone can support Israel all they want, but not for religious reasons.

I am amazed you choose to ignore what the actual law keeping Jews are saying about all of this in light of the Old Testament. They are screaming to the world to realize antisemitism is caused by Zionism, and it is a cause that makes these religious Jews look like they're behind something they hate. They are hollering to us that Zionists are bringing on persecution against the jewish people more than anything else in the world today.

And they see Christians supporting a Zionist Israel, and wonder what maniacal nonsense we are going on with in saying God is behind it all when they know for a fact that God's own Word forbids such an act from God.

We have a great witness, bro!