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Originally Posted by pelathais
But they won't work together when people say that they have ""purchased" their own salvation (as TheLegalist said earlier). It won't work. You will fall into the trap that Paul warns us about - you will "frustrate the grace of God..." unless you understand that salvation is a gracious gift.
You may even sink so low as to compare our gracious Lord to someone who dispenses salvation like "sticking a sucker in a bumb's (SIC) mouth..."
The whole theology of the "Christianity Without the Cross" movement is twisted askew because the cross is missing. You haven't "rolled it all up" at all unless you see that we are justified by our faith in what Jesus Christ did freely for us.
I can tell that you guys don't really want to talk about it. That is something you should have considered before jumping into the thread. But now that you're here (off and on) - why not accepting that free gift? It's yours simply for the asking. All of the work has already been done and the full price has been paid!
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Talk about what, Pel? Something I don't see nor believe? How can I talk about that?
The Bible says we are saved:
- If we call on His name
- By His life
- By Hope
- That He was raised from the dead
- By His grace
- Having a love of truth
- By His mercy
All of these elements involve all that He is, all that he offers, all that He has done, all that He calls us to do.
How can you only center on the cross alone? It's the
basis of our faith, but it does not save us alone. If it saved us alone, we wouldn't have need to read:
II Thess 1:8;
I Peter 1:17.
I believed when I was daubing Holy Water on my forehead, chest and shoulders. I believed when I was kneeling at confessional. I believed when I was talking Communion. I believed when I was lighting a candle for a prayer. I wasn't saved.
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