The Thief on the Cross

[jfrog]

Originally Posted by onefaith2

Sam Jesus would have used flesh instead of water. It would uncharacteristic for him to use the word water.

One must be born the first time and then the second time to enter the kingdom.

That is redundent.. everyone has been born the first time.. there would be no reason for Jesus to say that.

He was trying to show nicodemus that the second birth is of water and of Spirit. He wasn't telling Nicodemus that every man had to be born two times to enter. Everyone is already born once. He was telling nicodemus he had to be born again to enter.

Jesus contrasted flesh with Spirit birth.. that is why the new birth is water and SPirit, not mothers womb.

If what you say is true then it doesn't make sense that Jesus just stopped talking about being born of water if it was really part of the new birth. So next time make sure your own view makes sense before you start rejecting others for not making sense.