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Originally Posted by onefaith2
Putting off is what I mean by refusal (not consenting to doing it at that time). I've met many who simply put it off because they don't really consider it that important or are scared of water, etc.
IF they are saved, it really isn't that important to them at the moment and they will schedule it at another time. That is not the apostolic practice.
How many of these people died before baptism because of putting something off. Are you saying this does not happen? It has happened quite a bit!
The language of John 3 is pretty clear. We are born or changed of water in baptism ( Romans 6).. Paul's teaching is clear. |
Paul's teaching in
John 3 is actually pretty unclear; what with Paul not having written the Gospel of John and all.
Paul's statements in
Romans 6 say nothing about the "First Birth" or being born from a woman's womb. That's the turn that Nicodemus introduced into the conversation with Jesus as recorded in
John 3. In
Romans 6, Paul likens repentance and conversion to the death of Jesus on the cross. He then likens baptism to the burial of Jesus in the tomb. Nothing here whatsoever about the "First Birth."
I'll have to take your word for your own experiences about people "being afraid of the water" and so forth. I've never experienced that. And, it is helpful that you modified your "refused to be baptized" statement.
Besides, if you really believed that these people simply had to be baptized in water to be saved - wouldn't you just drag them into the water? C'mon. How much do you really believe this stuff? Back it up with some action.
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