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Originally Posted by n david
There is no arbitrary number for Jesus being in the midst, or dwelling among a believer! To say that Jesus is there for two or three is to say He is NOT there for one or four or more! It's absurd that this verse is used as a guide for His being in the midst. I don't know about you, but whenever I pray alone, He's there. I don't need one or two more people with me when I pray in order for Jesus to be there.
So Jesus is not present when you pray alone? What about if there are more than just two or three, is He still in the midst? If, as you say, verse 20 is not about disciplinary matter, why then attach an arbitrary number to it? Why would Jesus, if speaking just about His presence being in a believers midst, why would he attach any number at all?
Because it stems from Deuteronomy 19:
Verses 15-22 are all about dealing with this as a whole. The binding and loosing directly deals with the fault or sin. If the person is unwilling to hear, unwilling to repent, he is bound to the sin; if he is willing, he can be loosed from the sin.
If Jesus is with us individually, why would you believe He wouldn't be with us corporately? It makes no sense.
Deuteronomy 19 and Matthew 18 prove it's true. |
Everything you said applies to your own position as well.
The scripture is clear - Jesus promises to be with us wherever two or three gather in His name.
Argue with it if you want, but His Words mean what they say.
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