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Originally Posted by Pressing-On
I don't see that in scripture. We are simply trying to establishment that travailing doesn't have to include tongues, and I don't see any strong evidence to agree with that view.
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You and brother Blume have asserted that praying in the spirit is ONLY and ALWAYS praying in tongues. There is no scripture that says that. There is no scripture that NECESSITATES that conclusion. Therefore there is no scriptural basis for dogmatically asserting that if a person is not praying in tongues, they are not praying in the spirit.
Furthermore, as I pointed out, the ONLY scripture speaking about the subject of praying and tongues does NOT say "praying with the spirit is always in tongues". It doesn't even say "praying with the spirit is praying in tongues" without the "always". What it does say is very specific - if I pray in tongues my spirit prays but my understanding is unfruitful. That's all it says. Guess what? If I speak in tongues my spirit speaketh but my understanding is unfruitful. Should I therefore conclude that if a person is NOT speaking in tongues they are not speaking in, by, or with the spirit? Of course not.
If people wish to build their doctrine on their personal experience and subjective opinions without regard to the ACTUAL TEXT then I guess have at it. It's what the entire denominational world does, so why not, right?
As for me, I will stick with the Bible.
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