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Originally Posted by ApostolicKitty
While I understand what you are saying, I think it's impossible to be "partly saved". God gives us His Spirit to guide us into all truth. It's just unfortunate that many who have the Holy Ghost don't follow it. I still remember learning that, despite the people I knew in my old church and their walk with God, they could not possibly make heaven because their sins had not been remitted via baptism in Jesus name. It broke my heart....
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So when you had the Holy Spirit as a Charismatic believer do you feel you were
not saved period? And also to me "saved" means two things.
The first "saved" is
INITIAL salvation. This is through faith, repentance, water baptism in Jesus name, receiving the gift of the Holy Ghost.
To me if one has not done these things they are not "fully" saved. If they are walking by faith in Jesus they have begun a walk with him but not in a full way.
Thats why the UPC says the
FULL STANDARD of salvation is
Acts 2:38.
If one does not
ULTIMATELY do what
Acts 2:38 says as I said earlier I would not assure them they are born again or "saved" in the fullness of what saved means.
If one has received the baptism of the Holy Spirit it is difficult to say they are not saved
at least in part because the Spirit is given as a witness to those God accepts.
6And the apostles and elders came together for to consider of this matter. 7And when there had been much disputing, Peter rose up, and said unto them, Men and brethren, ye know how that a good while ago God made choice among us, that the Gentiles by my mouth should hear the word of the gospel, and believe.
8And God, which knoweth the hearts, bare them witness, giving them the Holy Ghost, even as he did unto us; 9And put no difference between us and them, purifying their hearts by faith.
Acts 15:6-9
Now the other part of "saved" is
FINAL SALVATION. This is as Jesus said "he who endures to the end the same
SHALL BE SAVED. Matt 24:13.
In this sense of "saved" none of us are yet "fully" saved. Many Apostolics who have been saved in
INITIAL SALVATION will not wind up in Heaven. One also must be an
OVERCOMER to escape Hell.
11 He that hath an ear, let him hear what the Spirit saith unto the churches; He that overcometh shall not be hurt of the second death. Rev. 2:11
Case in point would be that some Apostolics feel safe because they have been baptized in Jesus name and received the Holy Ghost. Yet they may walk in other false doctrines or traditions of men. They have no qualms about saying Charismatics are going to Hell because they have rejected the truth.
Yet they themselves teach much error about a number of things. So my point is that we have to keep going on with Jesus in spirit and truth. He does not allow any of us to think we can enter Heaven unless we do.
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