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Originally Posted by Jason Badejo

We believe on Jesus through the apostles words by reading what the apostles recorded about Him, more specifically the words of Jesus Himself.

You missed the point. Jesus told us to hear the apostles for he said they would explain how to believe on Him. That's Jesus' own words. He easn not talking about theyr writings of His ministry. He only spoke vaguely on many issues.

Joh 16:25 KJV These things have I spoken unto you in proverbs: but the time cometh, when I shall no more speak unto you in proverbs, but I shall shew you plainly of the Father.

And He showed them via the Holy Ghost revelations they received after they were Spirit filled.

You guys think someone can read every word Jesus spoke in the gospels and die lost without Acts.

They ALMOST would die lost without Acts, because the apostles were said by Jesus to be the ones we must heed in order to believe on Him. Jesus said that, bro. But Luke 24:47-49 essentially is the directive for what Peter said in Acts 2:38.

Missing the whole point of what it is to believe in Christ and willingly blind to the fact that even if we take the book of Acts as the handbook of salvation, the only people who spoke in tongues were the apostles, Cornelius' household, 12 Ephesians, and possibly the Samaritans in Acts chapter 8.

Incorrect. The 120 spoke in tongues in acts 2. And each case where tongues are recored show the main pattern for what peoples, and need not be mentioned in detail each time it happened later. Even non-pentecostals and non-apostolics see that.

This ignores the fact there is no indication that the 3,000 on the day of Pentecost spoke in tongues, the 5,000 of Acts 4:4, the Ethiopian eunuch in Acts 8, nor anyone else spoke in tongues.

I disagree. The pattern was established.

And also the plain meaning of 1 Corinthians 12:28-30, to say nothing of trying to force a cryptic tongues message into the new testament over the simple, clear, and oft repeated message that salvation is freely available to all who will repent of their sins and trust in Christ as Savior (no strings attached).

Who said anything about strings? That's a critic's interpretation of the issue.

The Lord spoke saying the apostle's word about Jesus would explain how to believe on Him. And we see NO additional things said by the apostles UNTIL ACTS 2. Peter preached what Jesus told them to preach in Luke 24:47-49. And after Peter preached it, with ONLY THOSE WORDS uttered from the mouths of the apostles after Jesus left the world, we read of the APOSTLES' DOCTRINE.

Act 2:37-42 KJV Now when they heard this, they were pricked in their heart, and said unto Peter and to the rest of the apostles, Men and brethren, what shall we do? (38) Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost. (39) For the promise is unto you, and to your children, and to all that are afar off, even as many as the Lord our God shall call. (40) And with many other words did he testify and exhort, saying, Save yourselves from this untoward generation. (41) Then they that gladly received his word were baptized: and the same day there were added unto them about three thousand souls. (42) And they continued stedfastly in the apostles' doctrine and fellowship, and in breaking of bread, and in prayers.

Where else do we find the apostles teaching anything since Christ left the world that we could attribute to as being the apostles doctrine, aside from what we read in Acts 2? We no sooner see Peter preaching exactly what Jesus told them to in Luke 24, AND NOTHING ELSE UTTERED BY THEM, before we read the people all continued in the apostles' doctrine. The apostles' doctrine was clearly the entire sermon, not just Acts 2:38, of Acts 2. But definitely includes Acts 2:8. WHY LEAVE THAT OUT? WHY OMIT THAT? Just because some people never realized the clear point of it and the majority of self-affirmed Christians do not obey it? What kind of handling of Bible is that?