Drunk in the Spirit

[Evang.Benincasa]

Originally Posted by deacon blues

Actually it was Paul preaching when the young man fell out of the window. I agree with you with the idea that we worship in our flesh. This idea of "in the spirit" means we lose all self-control, become some kind of a puppet on a string for God to sling us around is not biblical.

Let's see, he told a prophet to strip off sackcloth, shoes to go around naked Isaiah 20:2?

God told a king to disrobe and lay prostrate in front of a preacher?

1 Samuel 19:24

He tore off his clothes and lay naked on the ground all day and all night, prophesying in the presence of Samuel. The people who were watching exclaimed, "What? Is even Saul a prophet?"

DB, God told some prophets to do things which you would of shook a finger in God's face and said "not of God!"

Ever been to a foot washing with the preacher just wearing his underwear and wrapped only in a towel? John 13:4-5

Originally Posted by deacon blues

I also agree that human beings have a b I also agree that human beings have a bent towards excess. That is why it's important to disciple and teach new believers what the Bible says about public worship. Growing up the only instructions we got were that liberty in the Holy Ghost meant no restrictions. Of course the Bible doesn't teach that.

Again, DB confession time.

Sorry that you were told that you were told you can smack that pastor's wife and kick holes in the wall as long as it was the "liberty" in the Holy Ghost.

No one ever told me that over a pulpit.

Originally Posted by deacon blues

I said that because you could go to a one God Jesus name apostolic Church in West Virginia, Kentucky, Georgia, or Alabama and witness people passing around venomous serpents and drinking poison out of mason jars and see that nothing happens to them and walk away concluding, if you're simply going to base it on what you saw with your own eyes and experiences, that their theology is sound.

Again, the Jehovah Witness, LDS, Sedevacantist, and Fundamental Baptist say the same thing. Yet, they believe you are wrong, still you claim you stand on theological soundness. They all have there arguments, they all would debate you. Yet, not everything is sound. Running pews, around or over the backs of them in the Holy Ghost is as real as taxes.

Originally Posted by deacon blues

The point I'm making is doctrine needs to be biblically-based, not rooted in experiences or anecdotal evidence.

I agree, but you better watch that you don't end up being a Christian Bill Nye the Science guy. That starch can kill you more ways than one.

Originally Posted by deacon blues

I have indeed seen and heard plenty of unbelievers either express how the church service scared them, Or that the reputation of my church was strange or crazy.

Wait!! In the quote just about this one who say you want it Biblically based and not rooted in EXPERIENCES and anecdotal evidence. Dude, that is what you are doing above! You have seen, you have heard. You then follow it with an untold number....PLENTY? Bro, but you said unbelievers, people who didn't believe in the place or god of what they were visiting? Girl went to a Roman Catholic church was scared of the stain glass and statues? So by that we are to detect whether it is truth or not? You ask for Biblical precedence in an argument then you resort to experiences or anecdotal evidence?

Originally Posted by deacon blues

I'm not saying that everything I witnessed or experienced was phony, A lot of genuine and sincere things happened. I believe in miracles I believe in the supernatural. But if something is not biblical I'm not going to accept it hook line and sinker.

So, if DB's pastor comes into the service in his underwear, wrapped in a towel, holding a water basin? DB is cool with all of that.

Originally Posted by deacon blues

understand and agree in principle, but I don't think outsiders are going to say "those folks are crazy because they use pulpits and wireless microphones!

But if they footwash in their underwear then you will be the one to give them the Bible study?

Originally Posted by deacon blues

I'm all for diversity in the Body.

Paul had a problem with that.

1 Corinthians 1:10, Galatians 1:8-9.

You went through an entire post telling us what YOU believe is sound Biblically. Only to put a bullet in its head with "I'm all for diversity in the Body?" That's a walking contradiction. That's the mantra sung by this culture which says that they are all for diversity in their country. Then complain when diversity bites them in the tail end. Confusion isn't even the word for someone who claims to want Biblical truths yet also wants heaven to be diverse! Maybe it would be best for you to find the definition of the word before you tell everyone else what is Biblically sound and how diversity is a good thing? Talk about an oxymoron.

Originally Posted by deacon blues

That's why I choose not to be a Pentecostal as an identity.

You never were a Pentecostal. Nothing to choose, nothing to loose.

Originally Posted by deacon blues

There will be plenty of Pentecostals in heaven. They just won't be he only ones.

DB, you are getting too old to be that bold concerning death.