JEWS!

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Originally Posted by Praxeas

I have no idea what you mean by personal needs.

I mean for any NEED for themselves, as though God wants them to keep law, aside from anything to do with using law as a tool to reach Jews that they might be saved. I refer to ANYTHING other than using law to win souls. Manofword felt Jews should continue to keep those rituals due to retaining their culture, aside from using law to win Jews. You claimed law was only used to win Jews. I agreed with you and disagreed with Manofword.

I said they SHOULD keep the law and I said why and some have questioned me over that and I explained it. My only next point is I think they CAN keep the law...in particular the customs and Holy Days if they want as long as they don't see it as a salvational thing. Im not going to take any believing Jew to task over that :-)

So you DO think there are reasons for converted Jews to keep law aside from using it to reach lost Jews?

Well without Christ the world is in essence "under the law"....by that I mean the law convicts and points to Christ.

Agreed.

1Ti 1:8 Now we know that the law is good, if one uses it lawfully,
1Ti 1:9 understanding this, that the law is not laid down for the just but for the lawless and disobedient, for the ungodly and sinners, for the unholy and profane, for those who strike their fathers and mothers, for murderers,
1Ti 1:10 the sexually immoral, men who practice homosexuality, enslavers, liars, perjurers, and whatever else is contrary to sound doctrine,
1Ti 1:11 in accordance with the glorious gospel of the blessed God with which I have been entrusted.

The law was added to reveal sin


Gal 3:19 Why then the law? It was added because of transgressions, until the offspring should come to whom the promise had been made, and it was put in place through angels by an intermediary.
Gal 3:20 Now an intermediary implies more than one, but God is one.
Gal 3:21 Is the law then contrary to the promises of God? Certainly not! For if a law had been given that could give life, then righteousness would indeed be by the law.
Gal 3:22 But the Scripture imprisoned everything under sin, so that the promise by faith in Jesus Christ might be given to those who believe.
Gal 3:23 Now before faith came, we were held captive under the law, imprisoned until the coming faith would be revealed.
Gal 3:24 So then, the law was our guardian until Christ came, in order that we might be justified by faith.
Gal 3:25 But now that faith has come, we are no longer under a guardian,

JFB says of "added"
added--to the original covenant of promise. This is not inconsistent with Gal_3:15, "No man addeth thereto"; for there the kind of addition meant, and therefore denied, is one that would add new conditions, inconsistent with the grace of the covenant of promise. The law, though misunderstood by the Judaizers as doing so, was really added for a different purpose, namely, "because of (or as the Greek, 'for the sake of') the transgressions," that is, to bring out into clearer view the transgressions of it (Rom_7:7-9); to make men more fully conscious of their "sins," by being perceived as transgressions of the law, and so to make them long for the promised Saviour. This accords with Gal_3:23-24; Rom_4:15. The meaning can hardly be "to check transgressions," for the law rather stimulates the corrupt heart to disobey it (Rom_5:20; Rom_7:13).

TheWayoftheMaster beautifully uses the 10 commandments to reveal the sinful condition of man's heart in order to lead them to Christ. So in preaching the law the intent or point is not to teach "you can be saved by this", but rather "all have sinned and come short of the glory to God".

Amen. That is what I said in essence.

The NT church still "used" the law...in fact they used the Law and the Prophets...when they referred to Scripture the only ones they had at this time was the OT. That is what I am saying

Again, what is your issue with me, though? Do you think law was used aside from use to reach unsaved Jews? Or was it for personal reasons such as retaining one's culture apart from reaching anyone else?